ArishMell · 70-79, M
I don't know but guess you live in the USA.
Whether by genuine customer choice or by manufacturers' policy, manual-transmission cars have been rare in America for a very long time.
If they don't see enough of those to be viable, they won't; but a lot of supposed "customer choice" is enforced and manipulated by the sellers.
Whether by genuine customer choice or by manufacturers' policy, manual-transmission cars have been rare in America for a very long time.
If they don't see enough of those to be viable, they won't; but a lot of supposed "customer choice" is enforced and manipulated by the sellers.
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ElwoodBlues · M
@ArishMell Subaru currently uses a variable pulley technique in their continuously variable transmission.
But Toyota is very different. They use a system originally invented by TRW; planetary gears and two motor generators.

I've watched half this video; it's reasonably concise.
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But Toyota is very different. They use a system originally invented by TRW; planetary gears and two motor generators.

I've watched half this video; it's reasonably concise.
[media=https://youtu.be/jofycaXByTc]
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@ElwoodBlues Interesting!
Thank you for that.
There is nothing new in any of the individual units, including the epicyclic gear-box, and of course, Diesel-electric railway locomotives go back to the 1950s; but what is new and very ingenious is how they are all combined in the TRW /Toyota system in a form suitable for hybrid cars.
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My first car had a unit called the Siba 'Dynastart' tacked onto its modified 2-stroke motorcycle engine. It was a motor-generator that acted as conventional starter motor giving forwards or revers "gear" then with the engine running, as a dynamo for the battery-charging and lamps. A far cry from Toyota's development!
Thank you for that.
There is nothing new in any of the individual units, including the epicyclic gear-box, and of course, Diesel-electric railway locomotives go back to the 1950s; but what is new and very ingenious is how they are all combined in the TRW /Toyota system in a form suitable for hybrid cars.
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My first car had a unit called the Siba 'Dynastart' tacked onto its modified 2-stroke motorcycle engine. It was a motor-generator that acted as conventional starter motor giving forwards or revers "gear" then with the engine running, as a dynamo for the battery-charging and lamps. A far cry from Toyota's development!
supersnipe · 61-69, M
@ArishMell My first car was a Standard Ten with no synchomesh on first gear. It was actually quite fun learning to double-declutch into first 😀. Another thing about that car - very low first gear, took you up to 15mph!
Softandsweet2 · 31-35, F
I drive a Fiat 500. It’s a 5 speed, but there aren’t many others.
BlackPetals · 18-21, F
My parents only buy non-American cars. Even though we live in Florida (and Georgia). They seem to last longer. Not sure about manual ones though.
come2gether · 46-50, M
Mine is an 04 civic. Bought it primarily because it was manual
come2gether · 46-50, M
@IloveLucy you'll hate the escalade, especially after driving something as nimble as the miata. My friend had a ct5. Traded it for a range rover
IloveLucy · 22-25, F
@Lilnonames I don’t plan on crashing it. And I really don’t care to own anything without carplay
IloveLucy · 22-25, F
@come2gether I’m not necessarily ditching the miata, it would just be used infrequently
deadgerbil · 26-30, M
The same reason why trucks have transitioned to automatics largely. Huge companies like JB Hunt are like 99% automatic with their fleet
It's simply easier to drive, less fatiguing, better fuel economy. Who wants to drive a manual in traffic?
It's simply easier to drive, less fatiguing, better fuel economy. Who wants to drive a manual in traffic?
Gingerbreadspice · F
A lot of cars are hybrid or electric and they’re all automatic. I’m guessing that’s why.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
Lucy, I've been waiting to hear from you. Please respond. Strict Gram
BlackPetals · 18-21, F
Hey Lucy, you are more than welcome to PM me. 🙂
Adogslife · 61-69, M
Ages ago it benefited your fuel economy. Automatics have become more efficient than they used to be, so the fuel economy benefit is lost. Of course the hybrid market is huge now as well.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Adogslife I had to read that again to see what you mean!
To me, "fuel economy" means as usually used, miles per gallon - the more miles the better the economy.
So do you mean the economics of the oil industry - the more fuel it sells the healthier its own economy? If so perhaps it and the motor manufacturers had every incentive to build very inefficient vehicles for so long, but I think those days are over, around the world, not only in the USA.
To me, "fuel economy" means as usually used, miles per gallon - the more miles the better the economy.
So do you mean the economics of the oil industry - the more fuel it sells the healthier its own economy? If so perhaps it and the motor manufacturers had every incentive to build very inefficient vehicles for so long, but I think those days are over, around the world, not only in the USA.
supersnipe · 61-69, M
This is an interesting case study across automotive cultures. Automatic transmissions were developed earlier (GM had one in 1939) and gained more market acceptance in the US than elsewhere, so everyone's been used to them for a very long time.
thisguy20 · 41-45, M
You could get an older car. Recently saw a listing for a 1940 Cadillac Series 85: three-on-the-tree manual...
Bumbles · 51-55, M
Still have my manual 2017 Mazda 3.
rachelsj · 22-25, F
Love driving my manual truck. A hand me down from my dad
HobNoblin · 36-40, M
Oddly enough in Europe of all places cars are manual. How America got to be so cucked that we can't shift a car I don't know.
HobNoblin · 36-40, M
@ArishMell Europeans want to be safe and taken care of by their socialist governments. They have that cuck attitude about life. You wouldn't think they'd be independent minded enough to want a transmission they had to take action and shift. Seems like they'd want a transmission that shifts for them so they wouldn't have to use their commie brains for that either.
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jackrabbit10 · M
auto makers get more money for the auto, manual is easy to fix ,means les money for a garage,
Fewer and fewer people want them, fewer and fewer can operate them, I wonder if some EPA type requirements might push that up a bit
If cars were manual they would be cheaper and that isn't the future. The future is that everything is too expensive to afford.
FairyDuster · M
Because it's cheaper to only give customers only one choice instead of multiple choices.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@FairyDuster It's a shrinking choice too because the number of manufacturers has shrunk so much, and the differences between many cars now are purely superficial.
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
For the same reasons most people prefer a refrigerator to an old fashioned ice box?
IloveLucy · 22-25, F
@ChipmunkErnie I know I’m in the minority but I’m frustrated
HumanEarth · F
Here is why, can you label each pedal?


IloveLucy · 22-25, F
Midlifemale · 61-69, M
Most cars in Europe are manual
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@Midlifemale Yup! I was the only one who could drive our rented car.
Kiesel · 56-60, M
The Subaru WRX STi is manual
jackrabbit10 · M
people got lazy ,
jackrabbit10 · M
@jackrabbit10
My Dad had a vintage tractor on our farm which had steel wheels and a hand-crank starter! He told me that if I wanted to drive it, then I had to learn how to start it. But he showed me that there's a right way and a wrong way to hand-crank a tractor...
The WRONG way is to grab onto the crank handle like you were holding a baseball bat ..with your fingers underneath and your thumb over the top. You will either break your thumb doing that or break your forearm if the engine kicks back.
The CORRECT way to grab onto the crank handle is to 'cup' your fingers AND your thumb UNDERNEATH the crank handle and hold onto it like you were holding an egg in the palm of your hand.
If the engine kicks-back, the crank will simply fly out of your palm without taking your thumb with it, but never stand directly over the crank while you're cranking it... stand back and slightly off-balance so that if it 'kicks', you will fall away from the reversing crank.
My Dad had a vintage tractor on our farm which had steel wheels and a hand-crank starter! He told me that if I wanted to drive it, then I had to learn how to start it. But he showed me that there's a right way and a wrong way to hand-crank a tractor...
The WRONG way is to grab onto the crank handle like you were holding a baseball bat ..with your fingers underneath and your thumb over the top. You will either break your thumb doing that or break your forearm if the engine kicks back.
The CORRECT way to grab onto the crank handle is to 'cup' your fingers AND your thumb UNDERNEATH the crank handle and hold onto it like you were holding an egg in the palm of your hand.
If the engine kicks-back, the crank will simply fly out of your palm without taking your thumb with it, but never stand directly over the crank while you're cranking it... stand back and slightly off-balance so that if it 'kicks', you will fall away from the reversing crank.
jackrabbit10 · M
@swirlie that i found out later on ,after getting lifted off the ground a few times,
pdockal · 56-60, M
People are lazy
Ynotisay · M
The same reason they're packed full of totally unnecessary gadgets. Convenience.
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Because too many younger people don't want to learn stick shift, it takes away from their texting and driving and having to pay attention.
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Less expensive to make an automatic transmission than a manual one.
Cars with manual transmissions have lower re-sale values as well.
Cars with manual transmissions have lower re-sale values as well.