@yeronlyman Now Now Now -- I am looking through my 6th Grade Maths book but some pages fell out over the years - and the one talking about the Corona isnt there....Hold on...I have one more place to kook. - Hey you want me to send you my book on how to cook a potato 40 different ways using maths ? - let me know
@yeronlyman Would that be relative in this discussion - or are you just saying random "MATHS" words 😂
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No one will ask whether you " will", want or what you think. It will be FORCEFUL. People don't realize that, thinking they will have a choice. That's the problem. This FORCED mask wearing is now a preconditioning for the next step FORCED vaccines. When these people start seeing deadly affects of this mRNA vaccine about 6 months later, they will not connect it to the vaccine because at least 6 months had passed, they will be told its the second wave of covid19. It will be too late to object to this cause the militia/ army will be sent to " distribute" it and FEMA will be ready , open and operating. You can still live in denial in your rainbowy world and call this a conspiracy theory, but your conspiracy theiry of cashless sociaty that you used to laugh at, is coming to life now, with 'coin shortage" and stores denying cash, accepting only debit/credit. Wearing a mask temporarily is not a problem,, but what it leads to.
I've just been asked to take part in one of the UK trials which I've said yes to.
Vaccines are what has made our modern world so relatively safe for us, esp our children. Just compare child mortality in African countries with Western ones.
I'm hugely draconian on things like this if there is a vaccine available if you refuse I then think you should not be allowed to attend theatre or indoor sporting events etc. Just my view
@SW-User have you ever seen the documentary plandemic? Look it up.
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@SW-User I worked 20 years in pharmaceuticals. I was seconded to the oecd and worked there with people from government all over Inc nih etc. I know people working for who, I know and have worked with current and previous UK government advisors.
There is no conspiracy. If there is trust me the people at the very heart of all I've said above are both ignorant of it and actively working to the opposite end. They are people who often dedicate their lives to improving the health of humanity.
That's my personal experience
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@SW-User ok, that’s some really good input, but although it won’t make me change my mind but I will put that into perspective.
@AbbeyRhode but the data and results are all being released pre review and will be peer reviewed and then have to be approved by all the various licencing authorities FDA, EMA etc
When it’s proven safe and effective yes. I will do my part to help herd immunity and eradicate which can only be achieved by a large percentage of the population getting the vaccine .
The term herd immunity comes from the observation of how a herd of buffalo forms a circle, with the strong on the outside protecting the weaker and more vulnerable on the inside.
This is similar to how herd immunity works in preventing the spread of infectious diseases. Those who are strong enough to get vaccinated directly protect themselves from infection. They also indirectly shield vulnerable people who cannot be vaccinated.
There are various reasons a person may not be able to be successfully vaccinated. People undergoing cancer treatment, and whose immune systems are compromised, for instance, are impaired in their ability to develop protective immunity from all vaccines. Often, people who can’t be vaccinated are susceptible to the most serious consequences from being infected.
Another vulnerable group are babies. Infants under six months of age are susceptible to serious complications from influenza. Yet they can’t be given the flu vaccine as their immune systems are not strong enough.
Read more: Kids are more vulnerable to the flu – here's what to look out for this winter
How does herd immunity work?
For a contagious disease to spread, an infectious agent needs to find susceptible (non-immune) people to infect. If it can’t, the chain of infection is interrupted and the amount of disease in the population reduces.
Another way of thinking about it is that the disease needs susceptible victims to survive in the population. Without these, it effectively starves and dies out.
If most of the population is immunised, the disease dies out. NIAID, CC BY What level of coverage provides herd immunity?
How many people need to be vaccinated to achieve herd immunity varies from disease to disease.
Measles can be transmitted through coughing and sneezing and the virus causing measles can survive outside the body for up to two hours. So it’s possible to catch measles just by being in the same room as someone who is ill if you touch a surface they’ve coughed or sneezed on.
In contrast, Ebola can only be spread by direct contact with infected secretions (blood, faeces or vomit) and therefore requires close contact with an ill person. This makes it much less spreadable.
Read more: Fast-spreading killers: how Ebola compares with other diseases
We can determine how contagious a disease is by tracking its spread throughout a population. In doing so, we can attribute each disease a reproductive number denoted by the symbol Ro. The bigger the Ro the more easily the disease is spread throughout the population.
If everyone who has a disease on average infects two people, the Ro for that disease is 2. This means the disease, relatively speaking, is not particularly contagious. However, if everyone who has a disease infects ten people on average, it would have an Ro of 10, which means it’s a much more contagious disease.
We can use the Ro for a disease to calculate the herd immunity threshold, which is the minimum percentage of people in the population that would need to be vaccinated to ensure a disease does not persist in the population. The more contagious a disease, the higher the threshold.
Measles is one of the most infectious diseases to affect humans with an Ro of 12-18. To achieve herd immunity to measles in a population we need 92-95% of the population to be vaccinated.
Current data indicates full vaccine coverage for five year olds in Australia is sitting at around the 95% level. However, vaccination rates in some communities have fallen below ideal levels, making them susceptible to measles outbreaks.
The overwhelming success of measles vaccinations means many people have no memory of what this disease looks like, and this has resulted in its effects being underestimated. Measles can cause blindness and acute encephalitis (inflammation of the brain), which can result in permanent brain damage.
Read more: Why parents should fear measles, not the vaccine
Herd immunity, or community immunity, as it’s sometimes called, is a powerful public health tool. By ensuring those who can be vaccinated do get vaccinated we can achieve herd immunity and prevent the illness and suffering that comes from the spread of infectious diseases.
Interesting, the different ways in which people respond.
Some say "Yes", albeit many fairly assuming it has been tested as thoroughly as reasonably practicable.
Some say why, or at least assume you see why they say "Yes" implicitly by the definition of a vaccine: a guard against a specific disease as in Nimbus' question.
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Of the "No" camp though, some state fear, feeling invincible or mere fatalism - I hope the last not literally, for them or anyone they might unwittingly infect.
Quite a number though, do not say why they would refuse it. Now, to be fair, Nimbus has asked only, "Would you...?", not also necessarily explanation or motive (not "motivation"). So it would be rude, illogical and unjust to speculate why the refusal, but I still can't help wondering why no stated reason for it.
That link between smoking and lung-cancer has been recognised for decades and world-wide. Whether people go by it is another matter, perhaps influenced by their own countries' societies or their own social circles.
@MrBrownstone Well, I am not sure how to take that, but I tend to agree that people who smoke should not criticise others for doing so.
(I don't smoke, and I remember my Dad saying he wished he not started smoking, but most of his generation in their younger years had thought smoking was an everyday, normal and harmless, even helpful, habit. The link with cancer had not yet been proven, possibly not known, in the 1940s-50s.)
Once I hit my teens I’ve never caught the flu. I got the flu shot once and was sick three times that year. I’ve declined it since then and have not had the flu since either. Don’t know why @Chevy454
@Nimbus I don't get flu jabs either. Can't recall the last time I had any sort of infection. Aside from that, even if I were guaranteed to contract it, I'm not interested in being a guinea pig for a vaccine against something that is no real threat to me being healthy and not of advanced years. I am not "vulnerable"... I don't do fear based buying nor do I jump on popular bandwagons just because others do or think I should. Not going to stop others from making their decisions and others will not stop me. Simple as.
@Nimbus Given the fact that most of us won’t get it and for most of those that do it is not serious I would say most of us.Cue the scaremongering....i am happy to take any vaccine that is proven to be safe.That doesn’t happen overnight. And yes people have died and been seriously ill.But that is no reason to put people at unnecessary risk....and no one is going to convince me a rushed vaccine is safe.And why does everyone assume there will be one?
I'm all for vaccines, but not one that can be created in months, no matter how many different countries have worked together on it, id rather wait if possible
Fortunately this virus is very similar to SARS, which they had been working on for a few years before this nightmare bloomed. So the vaccine will actually be based on previous research. But, like you, I also will wait for version 1.2 if possible. @Beautifullyderanged
I get the flu vaccine every year. If and when a safe and tested covid19 vaccine arrives...manufactured in the USA...I will get the shot if my doctor recommends it.
I'm still undecided but I would volunteer to be a guinea pig for the testing of a vaccine as that would be more useful and without testers for a vaccine there will not be one.
@swirlie I don't disagree with what you say but if we want a vaccine within the next 12-18 months people are going to need to be the guinea pigs in order to achieve that, I would do it, I understand exactly why most people wouldn't but that doesn't affect what I personally would do.
@swirlie And I do realise that but for me I've not much to lose so I think it's better the likes of me test it before it's released to the masses, having real human testing so early in the process is likely to make it safer for the majority in the long run.
@Nimbus They are putting everything from MsG to a form of mercury in them. Some medical researchers believe that when you take enough of them the mercury accumulated in the brain to the point people are getting dementia. Ever heard the phrase “Mad as a hatter?” Hat makers used to use mercury making the hats and they absorbed enough of it in their bodies to make them go nuts
@Nimbus Because of all the "short Cuts" the dismantling of the checks and balances has allowed and the total lack of Ethical leadership holding the corporate world to account.
Yes, once tested sufficiently to be as both safe and effective as reasonably possible.
You might argue as a point of logic that true efficacy is something of a "can't prove a negative" conundrum for some years, perhaps a couple of decades or so, but I'd rather be safe than sorry.
I already have an annual influenza jab; I have been inoculated against polio, tetanus and tuberculosis; I have no time for the anti-vaccination types who want those horrible diseases returning to being as common as they once were.
as soon as its approved sure. tho i'll have to see if i can get mild covid symptoms first since i live with someone high risk. it just means i'd have to be somewhere else until i get better.
i have no patience for antivaxxers. i'll always trust medical professionals over random peoples cherry picked google searches. far as i'm concerned antivaxxers are to biologists what flat earthers are to astrophysicists.
@Nimbus I think they're rushing so if something becomes available before the year is out, I'll wait, I'm in no hurry to be a guinea pig for this stuff.
No as every time ive gotten a vaccine for other things I have gotten said disease. back in 2009 I took flu vaccine because work forced it and ended up hospitalized for a week and almost died because of how badly the flu affected me
@Amberrose I have a friend that took the flu vaccine one year and became very very ill with the flu. He refused to take the vaccine again for about 8 years. Last year he got vaccinated again. He was very very sick for about 3 months after.
Yes but I'd probably look into the vaccine first... e.g. info about it's testing trials and what kind of vaccine is it (for example...is it a plasma vaccine?)
A look at its other pages and articles show it is pretty much anti-West, anti-Israel, pro-Syria, anti-Ukrainian, for example.
We do know the Russian Federation is determinedly using the Internet to drive divisions and confusion in very many countries, by both direct interference in national systems and by specially-created accounts on Facebook etc.. This though is a separate and very sophisticated "news" site.
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It seems to work in the same way that many Western newspapers do. It publishes what are probably facts at least at heart; but in a biased way - selection of news bad in its publishers' terms, omission of key qualifying information, careful use of words, denial of opposing views, etc. This site has an authoritative air that exudes being above such bias, but the bias is there and more obvious than its editors might think.
For its relevant example, did those five unfortunate soldiers die from Covid-19 because the treatment was itself faulty, or simply ineffective, or was used too late or wrongly? Those are not asked. Instead we are given just three facts - they were vaccinated, the vaccine was made in America, they still died - leading us its writers hope, to take the two correlations as the cause, without questioning the evidence and validity of their case.
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One small but revealing detail - its standard of English (British or American) is very high but one or two passages still have the slightly wonky air of work by an author for whom it is a second language. I noticed too, an unfamiliar form of punctuation to show quotes.
I don't know if it's possible to examine the "Properties" of a web-site as you can with e-posts, to elicit the originating country from the wodge of source-code that the function displays.
