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Yes.
I've just been asked to take part in one of the UK trials which I've said yes to.
Vaccines are what has made our modern world so relatively safe for us, esp our children. Just compare child mortality in African countries with Western ones.
I'm hugely draconian on things like this if there is a vaccine available if you refuse I then think you should not be allowed to attend theatre or indoor sporting events etc. Just my view
I've just been asked to take part in one of the UK trials which I've said yes to.
Vaccines are what has made our modern world so relatively safe for us, esp our children. Just compare child mortality in African countries with Western ones.
I'm hugely draconian on things like this if there is a vaccine available if you refuse I then think you should not be allowed to attend theatre or indoor sporting events etc. Just my view

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@SW-User I have to disagree with your draconian view. I always believe if you dint want your rights taken away from you then don’t take away anyone else’s. People have a right to choose what they will put or not into their body. And did you know that bill gates used African children as guinea pigs in his polio vaccines which left lots dead or paralysed? Also if vaccines do so many wonders, then why do they need to be scared of those not vaccinated?

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@SW-User I accept I have a draconian view but... Vaccines only work when you have a large take up by all the population. So not taking it isn't just about your heath but the health of your community that's at risk too.

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@SW-User how so? If the vaccines do work

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@SW-User you need a lot of people to have the vaccine or you'll still get epidemics.
Here's what is happening in the UK after the MMR cobblers of a few years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51493496
Here's what is happening in the UK after the MMR cobblers of a few years ago.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/health-51493496

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@SW-User more people vaccinated = less people infected

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@SW-User spot on.
It's how WHO managed to eradicate Smallpox, the only disease to be wiped out ever.
It's how WHO managed to eradicate Smallpox, the only disease to be wiped out ever.

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@SW-User exactly

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@SW-User @SW-User [media=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc16H3uHKOA]

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@SW-User
https://fullfact.org/online/gates-polio-vaccine/
The claim that the Gates Foundation was kicked out of India is perhaps a distortion of news back in 2017 that the Indian government would partially fund an immunisation program in New Delhi.
Before this, the Gates Foundation had funded the program, and senior health ministry official Soumya Swaminathan told Reuters at the time: “There was a perception that an external agency is funding it, so there could be influence.”
When people started claiming that the Gates Foundation had been kicked out of India, the Indian government said this was not true and that “BMGF [The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation] continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.”
The Foundation continues to work in India.
The claim the Gates Foundation disabled 47,000 children seems to come from a 2012 paper which claims that “non-polio acute flaccid paralysis” (NPAFP) was more common in areas of India with higher uptake of the oral polio vaccine. The Foundation funds polio vaccine eradication efforts
The paper says that in 2011, there were an extra 47,500 cases of NPAFP above the “standard” 2 cases per 100,000 people “that is generally accepted as the norm”.
US fact checking website PolitiFact reported on a similar claim, that the Foundation had paralysed 496,000 children from a polio vaccine administered between 2000 and 2017.
This figure comes from a 2018 paper making the same argument, claiming that there were an “additional 491,000 paralyzed children above our expected numbers for children with NPAFP” between 2000 and 2017.
It is true that the observed incidence of NPAFP cases increased in the late 2000s and has stayed relatively high, but this doesn’t mean the polio vaccine was necessarily the cause.
Back in 2013 the BBC reported that public health officials said that the increase could be put down to the fact that monitoring of cases of paralysis, whether caused by polio or not, was better than in previous decades.
Data from the National Polio Surveillance Project unit shows that while cases of NPAFP increased in the mid-2000s in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh where the vaccination work was concentrated, the incidence of polio-related AFP also increased before falling away.
This would support the theory about increased monitoring.
While there may be a statistical correlation between the number of vaccination doses and cases of NPAFP, we’ve found no evidence or theory which explains why this might be the case. NPAFP is caused by other viruses and bacteria besides polio.
However other countries, including the UK, have also observed increased reports of unexplained AFP.
It’s worth noting that the polio vaccine can itself result in cases of “vaccine-associated paralytic polio” according to the World Health Organisation, but the rate is incredibly low. Approximately 1 in 2.7 million doses of the oral polio vaccine are associated with paralytic polio.
This article is part of our work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. You can read more about this—and find out how to report Facebook content—here. For the purposes of that scheme, we’ve rated this claim as partly false because the Gates Foundation was not kicked out of India, and the link between the polio vaccination funded in part by the Foundation and an increase in paralysis is unproven and may have other explanations.
Before this, the Gates Foundation had funded the program, and senior health ministry official Soumya Swaminathan told Reuters at the time: “There was a perception that an external agency is funding it, so there could be influence.”
When people started claiming that the Gates Foundation had been kicked out of India, the Indian government said this was not true and that “BMGF [The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation] continues to collaborate and support the Ministry of Health and Family Welfare.”
The Foundation continues to work in India.
The claim the Gates Foundation disabled 47,000 children seems to come from a 2012 paper which claims that “non-polio acute flaccid paralysis” (NPAFP) was more common in areas of India with higher uptake of the oral polio vaccine. The Foundation funds polio vaccine eradication efforts
The paper says that in 2011, there were an extra 47,500 cases of NPAFP above the “standard” 2 cases per 100,000 people “that is generally accepted as the norm”.
US fact checking website PolitiFact reported on a similar claim, that the Foundation had paralysed 496,000 children from a polio vaccine administered between 2000 and 2017.
This figure comes from a 2018 paper making the same argument, claiming that there were an “additional 491,000 paralyzed children above our expected numbers for children with NPAFP” between 2000 and 2017.
It is true that the observed incidence of NPAFP cases increased in the late 2000s and has stayed relatively high, but this doesn’t mean the polio vaccine was necessarily the cause.
Back in 2013 the BBC reported that public health officials said that the increase could be put down to the fact that monitoring of cases of paralysis, whether caused by polio or not, was better than in previous decades.
Data from the National Polio Surveillance Project unit shows that while cases of NPAFP increased in the mid-2000s in Bihar and Uttar Pradesh where the vaccination work was concentrated, the incidence of polio-related AFP also increased before falling away.
This would support the theory about increased monitoring.
While there may be a statistical correlation between the number of vaccination doses and cases of NPAFP, we’ve found no evidence or theory which explains why this might be the case. NPAFP is caused by other viruses and bacteria besides polio.
However other countries, including the UK, have also observed increased reports of unexplained AFP.
It’s worth noting that the polio vaccine can itself result in cases of “vaccine-associated paralytic polio” according to the World Health Organisation, but the rate is incredibly low. Approximately 1 in 2.7 million doses of the oral polio vaccine are associated with paralytic polio.
This article is part of our work fact checking potentially false pictures, videos and stories on Facebook. You can read more about this—and find out how to report Facebook content—here. For the purposes of that scheme, we’ve rated this claim as partly false because the Gates Foundation was not kicked out of India, and the link between the polio vaccination funded in part by the Foundation and an increase in paralysis is unproven and may have other explanations.
https://fullfact.org/online/gates-polio-vaccine/

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@SW-User you know Facebook dictates information and hides the truth if they are paid to do so. If they are so quick at burying any truths that are leaked then they and other high profile people in the world have something to hide.

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@SW-User go research the group doing that research. Nothing to do with Facebook
https://fullfact.org/about/
https://fullfact.org/about/

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@SW-User Smyth g that had “fact” labelled on links don’t necessarily mean it’s true because of that word associated with the link. There’s a difference between fact and truth. I think we are just going to have to agree to disagree.

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@SW-User I will always value fullfact.org over un-researched youtube videos.

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Unresearched? In the video he explains that vaccines can reduce the world population by 10%-15%
Ah well ignorance is bliss ain’t it?@SW-User
Ah well ignorance is bliss ain’t it?@SW-User

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@SW-User no he's talking about widespread use of vaccines will reduce population growth a well documented historical fact. You reduce infant mortality people have less children. The overall benefits are huge. You can see that vin the transformation on Europe through the 1900s.
Vaccines are the number one health improvement we can make in the world.
I would find another site to debunk this with facts but no doubt for you if it has facts in the title it clearly is a leftist conspiracy.
Vaccines are the number one health improvement we can make in the world.
I would find another site to debunk this with facts but no doubt for you if it has facts in the title it clearly is a leftist conspiracy.

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@SW-User have you ever seen the documentary plandemic? Look it up.

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@SW-User I worked 20 years in pharmaceuticals. I was seconded to the oecd and worked there with people from government all over Inc nih etc. I know people working for who, I know and have worked with current and previous UK government advisors.
There is no conspiracy. If there is trust me the people at the very heart of all I've said above are both ignorant of it and actively working to the opposite end. They are people who often dedicate their lives to improving the health of humanity.
That's my personal experience
There is no conspiracy. If there is trust me the people at the very heart of all I've said above are both ignorant of it and actively working to the opposite end. They are people who often dedicate their lives to improving the health of humanity.
That's my personal experience

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@SW-User ok, that’s some really good input, but although it won’t make me change my mind but I will put that into perspective.