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lovingdead · 36-40, M
On the surface id say no. Were animals.

Yet we want/seek kindness, peace, etc.

Odds are we've all experienced hurt, and have in turn probably inflicted it. More often than not when it happens to us its wrong, when we cause it, its justified.


I think thats the slowest part of us to evolve.
Some people can be bad and not be bothered,
While others may yell at a waiter and later realize we took out on anger on the wrong person. I think that mistake shouldn't exactly haunt us but instead forever be there to remind us. We all want better, and to earn that i think we should be better.

To try and write off bad behavior as human nature (ok mildly factual) but where do we stop? Why have laws, why have loyalty, why playpretend that anyone cares if all someones argument for wrongdoing is indifference.


Or the argument can be made for the light and darkside of human nature.

You cant write off the bad, to do so is to give up on the good.

Its chaos, to say on a bad day. "Things could always be worse" they help yourself feel better, then by that logic at a suprise party someone you care about throws for you you can say "things could be better"

We're in the ebb and flow of human nature, and granted if you can get to the good side and stay, awesome.

But never should anyone be content in those darker parts.
Pambie · 26-30, F
@lovingdead Animals aren't self-aware to the extent they realise they'll die one day. They don't contemplate the meaning of existence, they don't worry about the future of planet Earth because of what they're doing to it, they don't have a moral framework for their actions because they rely entirely upon instinct.
We are not animals, we're better than that. That's why I posted this.
lovingdead · 36-40, M
@Pambie i DO agree, but depending on your view of people thats why i added the part about all that being the slowest part to evolve.

All across the animal kingdom there are flashes of that. Grief, lotalty, some sadistic stuff, empathy, etc.

We have the capacity for all of it. Though its rarely delved into.

Look at certain pets, who choose to die right next to an owner, they know their time is ending and they choose a place to die.

Look at certain gay animals who "mate/bond for life", no instinct of procreation there. They get flashes, its not all pets or all animals.

Just like the fact yes were aware of our own mortality but we have people activly being reckless, some care about the enviroment, some dont, some corrupt their morals,some dont. As a whole we have much more than anything in the animal kingdom. But it is a spectrum.

Whats your view on humans, creation, evolution, a mix, something else entirely?

Or, does it not matter, regardless of our origin were here now one of the most unique species given the traits listed, and thus we should look at now and forward, to understand where we're going/changing into? (Moral wise)
Pambie · 26-30, F
@lovingdead My view on:
1. Humans. I've already addressed this here in this post.
2. Creation. My view is that we simply have absolutely NO idea how or why everything came to be. We don't have a clue, but far too many think they do and get all upset when others don't believe them.
3. Evolution. Darwinian evolution specifically? Nope, I don't believe in it. It's obvious nonsense. That doesn't mean I'm a Biblical Christian though, because I'm not. Both points-of-view are wrong.
In sum, I do not believe we currently understand even 1% of how reality works, or the true extent of it.

PatientlyWaiting25 · 46-50, F
I think some people find it harder to act with conscience because they haven't had a good upbringing. If for example you were never taught right from wrong - and some people are not, they have parents who don't care- how would you learn how your actions affect other people? I also think comfort and safety has a lot to do with it. If people are trapped in a survival state because they never had their own basic needs met, they don't think about meeting the needs of others because self preservation comes first.
Mmiker · 46-50, M
I do agree with that. Plus it fuels life to have ambition to grow to be a better human.
ViciDraco · 41-45, M
I would argue that being more natural would involve being less cruel and less greedy. Whenever I see people in touch with their natural selves they seem to be far more kind and generous. I think that the people who try to blame it on human nature are simply trying to justify their own unnatural behavior.

Humans are social animals. Our nature is to collaborate. The molding of our societies into hyper-competitive spaces is, I believe, the illness that breeds the cruelty.
If to rise above” suggests taking direction from something more than instinct: values, conscience, spiritual growth, and deliberate living.
I’d have to go with rise above . 😊
Munumbis · 46-50, M
Humans are part of nature. No one invented the human brain it arose naturally. People do not realise that cars computers jet planes genetic experiments; that's nature doing that through its own creation.
Pambie · 26-30, F
@Munumbis I'm not even sure what you're on about here.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Human nature holds the capacity for individuals to do truly appalling things, but it also holds the capacity not to be like that.
Babal · 46-50, M
Yes ,I agree there is no excuse for terrible behaviour.
twistedrope · 26-30, M
Depends on context. My right and your right are not the same. As well, my wrong and your wrong.

I've worked in fields and made difficult decisions. I have avoided helping people outside my work obligations and the result was exposing others to danger. I have helped others outside regulation and been warned against it.


I will continue to make decisions where stakes grow and be called lazy, selfish and useless for prioritizing what I find important.

Human nature is what a person thinks is best at the time.The only difference here is scale and whoever notices. In my opinion
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DMmeyourtits · 26-30, M
I find it hilarious how some people think this is about religion. Would we just be wild animals without 10 commandments? Is that really the only reason they behave, because god told them so?
AdmiralPrune · 46-50, M
We all know the difference.

Its just we are in a catch 22 situation:
Society nurtures dark triad types, which breeds desperation in the masses.
And when desperate, its hard to have the luxury to stay ethical 🫤

 
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