People Wear It But Do They Understand It's Message?

@LordShadowfire No. I really dont believe him to be sincere at all.However there are genuine faithful here fragile enough to follow people like this and they deserve to "see the light" with Ray Bans on, so they arent blinded, then make an informed choice. I can argue his level all day..The psychology and Sociology of religion has long interested me..😷

@LordShadowfire BE NICE!🙄

@LordShadowfire only people with no conscience get off scott free, at least in this world.

@RedGrizzly It's not a different topic at all. The question is who gets to go to heaven based on what information was available to them.

It's not realistic to accuse someone of "rejecting God" when they don't believe God exists. It would be like me saying I'm giving you a free Ferrari that I parked in front of your house. If you go outside and don't see it, are you "rejecting" it? Or do we just have a difference of opinion as to whether there is a Ferrari there or not?

I can no more accept your version of God than you can accept the Church of Scientology. Free will has nothing to do with it. Belief is not a matter of free will. If you disagree, please demonstrate by forcing yourself to believe in something you consider false for five minutes. If you can't do it, it's unreasonable for you to tell me that I have to force myself to believe in something I consider false if you're unable to do it.

The verse you quoted, John 14:6, doesn't say you have to be a Christian or believe in Jesus. It says Jesus decides who goes to heaven. It's an important distinction. John Shore has explained this by comparing it to a man guarding the door of the Moose Lodge. If he has complete control over who goes in, he can allow non-Moose members in if he wants, and deny entrance to Moose members as well. The same applies to Jesus, who can deny heaven to Christians while allowing non-Christians in, at least if you read the passage literally without applying your own interpretation to it.

@LeopoldBloom Good try! A Ferrari is "matter," The Holy Spirit is "spirit". You can't see it except you can see its' effect, kind of like air. Without air you can't breathe. Without the Holy Spirit you can't be clean from sin.

@Carazaa It's a special "spiritual" Ferrari. You have to take my word for it that it exists. If you can't see it, that's just because you're biased against Ferraris.

@LordShadowfire @Carazaa

Yes, another interesting point. God doesn't need to "prove" anything. Mankind keeps forgetting who created who. Why does God need to do anything, especially prove he is God?
It's actually the opposite, Man will prove God to exist through Science. Even when one sets out to prove God doesn't exist through science, that one will only end up proving He does in fact exist.
But as human beings, we must also respect those who don't believe in God. That is their right.

@calicuz [quote]Why does God need to do anything, especially prove he is God?[/quote]

He already has proven He is God and there is no other besides Him.

@GodSpeed63

Exactly, just look at the Universe, just look at the ecosystem.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]2 Timothy 3:16 & 17 and 2 Peter 1:19 - 21[/quote]
If passages from a book are all it takes in order to prove the accuracy of said book, then I have definitive evidence for the existence of one Captain D'Artagnan.

@CorvusBlackthorne [quote]If passages from a book are all it takes in order to prove the accuracy of said book, then I have definitive evidence for the existence of one Captain D'Artagnan.[/quote]

You asked for evidence and gave it to you from one of the only books written by God.

@GodSpeed63

@Graylight I'm trying to get them to prove that there's even one. It's hilarious.

@LordShadowfire I can debate ideology all the live-long day, but try to pass off opinion as fact and we're gonna have a problem.

@Graylight Exactly.

@DocSavage Only the Christian ones, though.

@JollyRoger The Bible is your source test. You buy it in part, you buy it in parcel. It's not a "pick and choose" kind of thing, God's word.

@Graylight Yes, but: Christ came to change the covenant and He did: He kept the 10 Commandments but he was telling the church to back off on all the Leviticus stuff.

@JollyRoger Says who? Prove to me Jesus said [i]anything[/i], first. Then let me into the details of a conversation he was having 2,000 years ago.

@BritishFailedAesthetic Then you would wear a hangman's noose if Jesus had been hanged, yes?

@LordShadowfire That's hard to say- if Christians did it would be a pendant obviously 😅

@BritishFailedAesthetic That's what I meant, lol. Not an actual noose around the neck.

@LordShadowfire I heard they turned it into a Jewish 7/11, what with there being no locks on the door.😷

@JollyRoger [quote]They are one and the same - history books and the Bible.[/quote]
[quote]The Apostle Paul...[/quote]
Was a liar who faked having a vision of the dead spirit of Jesus on the road in order to take control of the growing movement he had been ordered to destroy.
[quote]There is evidence written (that's all we have at this point in time) that the "Holy Ghost" - the sweeping wind that entered all the people in the place they were gathered, started a collective understanding and the people went forth to evangelize.[/quote]
Yeah? I've got written evidence of an evil clown that lives in the sewer and turns little kids into balloons. You going to believe that?
[quote]It's you who is questioning the Christian theme and if you are not a subscriber to it - then why waste your time?[/quote]
Why don't you ask God? Maybe he'll explain why I'm in your life. Or maybe he won't.

@LordShadowfire And: by the statements you provide as proof of your depth of thinking and wishing to understand any perspective other than your one line statements: I can't provide you any more proof! The proof is there = your understanding of 'proof' is proof of your lack of understanding. Come back sometime when you have something to contribute to the conversation other than to give rejections to other peoples' 'proof'.

@JollyRoger [quote]The proof is there...[/quote]
Yet you have provided none.