The Lie: Mankind Created God - The Truth: God Created Mankind

@GodSpeed63 Satan is a saint compared to your favorite ethnocentic ancient Middle Eastern Jewish deity. He has a lot of names, why don't you use one?

@Diotrephes [quote] Satan is a saint [/quote]

That's the dumbest thing you've ever said, Dio, do your research before you post on here again.

@GodSpeed63 Can you read and comprehend?

I said = [quote]Satan is a saint compared to your favorite ethnocentic ancient Middle Eastern Jewish deity. He has a lot of names, why don't you use one?[/quote]

Who killed more people in the fairytale? Who created evil? Who will stand with humanity when the world is being destroyed? Read the f____ fairytale.

@JPWhoo Don't dance around the subject. And don't change it. I said you cannot call yourself a Christian if you don't accept the Bible as God's Holy Word and that it is completely the truth. And can you explain to me what it means to be saved? A Christian would know this. Answer my question. And then we'll discuss the Bible as the book of science. It includes science as well. Know your Bible. The term "books of the Bible" comes from the fact that the Bible, sacred scriptures in Christianity and Judaism, is an anthology of many different books. Including science and history.

@JPWhoo Says you, who doesn't even [i]believe[/i] the Bible. Just the opposite. What you don't know about the Bible is that it covers a majority of things. And again......Can you explain to me what it means to be saved? A Christian would know this. Answer my question. And then we'll discuss the Bible as the book of science.

@JPWhoo
You need to breakout of the silly little arguments and receive the latest and Highest Revelation
of our day and time.
You must overcome your fears of the Higher Light, Higher Knowledge and Higher Wisdom
of YHWH. This fear comes from the lower reptilian brain that all humans possess and you
must trust YHWH who is Loving, Mercifull and who Understands where you are coming
from. In the Pistis Sophia ( Faith of Wisdom ), when Jesus presented himself before his
diciples in his HIGHER BODY OF LIGHT, they were scared and didn't understand,
but Jesus was compassionate and said fear not it is I.



We have to go beyond the superficial three-dimensional layer of the rational mind. We have
to go beyond logic and intellectual symbology into heartfelt experiences. We have been
earth centered instead of God centered.


You are asleep in your material illusion and do not know your higher birthright in the
Realms of Divine Eternity.

Do not be deceived by the limitations of this present state of duality.

The Angels, the Lords of Light, and other Higher Light Beings are here NOW patiently
waiting for you to call on them for assistance and they've always been here. It is you that
are in a consciousness of separation; the SPARK of the DIVINE is within you. Go within
in prayer and meditation to find it.


The Keys of Enoch came directly from the Throne of our Creator YHWH, the GOD of Gods and
LORD of Lords. EVERYTHING EMANATES FROM HIM! It is the same VOICE that spoke to
Moses on Mount Sinai. I'm telling you that this is the latest and the HIGHEST KNOWLEDGE
revealed in our day and time. Just type jjhurtak into your search engine and check out the interviews.

Love, Light and Peace,
Scott

@Graylight [quote]I'm telling you the current academic's body position that a man named Jesus did, in fact, exist. [/quote]
i've never denied that. The fact remains there is no evidence that the specific one described in the bible ever existed.

[quote]You're free to look at evidence and come to whatever conclusion you like.[/quote]
It the complete absence of evidence of this Jesus figure the leads to the conclusion that he never existed.

[quote] Just remember, opinions are not facts.[/quote]
You should try taking your own advice.

@Graylight [quote]Why create a savior from pure myth? [/quote]
I see @suzie1960 referred to Robin Hood above. Do you believe he was a real person?

The stories of Robin Hood refer to King Richard Cœur de Lion, Prince John and the Sheriff of Nottingham - all verified historical figures. Robin Hood is said to have come from Locksley or Loxley. Spelling wasn't fixed in those days but Loxley definitely exists -
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loxley,_South_Yorkshire Although it's in South Yorkshire, [i]"The extensive forest of Loxley Chase extended as far south east as Nottinghamshire in the 12th century where it joined up with Sherwood Forest.[/i] Robin Hood and his band of men (disciples?) are said to have lived in Sherwood Forest and camped around The Major Oak. I've been to Sherwood and seen the Major Oak with my own eyes - that's "eye witness testimony".

The Major Oak - note how the branches are supported by poles.

Do you think anyone would go to so much trouble to preserve that tree if Robin Hood were just a myth? It seems to me there is far more evidence to support the claim that Robin Hood was real than there is of the biblical Jesus.

@GodSpeed63 [quote]Nobody is talking about philosophies, or religions, or pseudo sciences, just salvation through Jesus Christ by His Holy Spirit.[/quote]

Can you post a passage where the king of the Jews Jesus character says that he came to save all people?

Do not quote Paul.

@LadyGrace Sleep well .

@kodiac [quote]Again i had faith that was pure , so why didn't god answer the prayer of a child ? Why you but not me? Why do innocent children die everyday? I know your religion says you are born a sinner but children don't know sin.[/quote]

I just now saw your questions. Sorry I'm late on them. Kind friend, what makes you feel that God didn't answer your prayer as a child? Please remember that God already accepts us as we are. He already loves us. We don't have to earn His love.

Unfortunately, since we live in a sinful world, we'll face death. Not so, in heaven, ever again. Children who die, go straight to heaven, every one of them. Jesus said that heaven has children in it.

Let me go on to answer your other questions in the next post.

@kodiac [quote]Do you believe everyone that prays but received no help was themselves to blame? I'm sure thousands of people pray everyday to be cured of sickness, yet all of them die. None of those people had accepted Christ into their heart? If god has the power to save, how is the choice who lives or dies?[/quote]

[quote]Do you believe everyone that prays but received no help was themselves to blame?[/quote]

No. I do think that Satan is to blame though, for causing us to doubt our salvation. He does that by trying to get us to question our salvation, by depending on feelings, instead of God's promises.

[quote]I'm sure thousands of people pray everyday to be cured of sickness, yet all of them die. [/quote]

Not all do. There can be many reasons why this happens, and some things we just can't know this side of heaven. God's thoughts and ways are not like we think. Remember, He can see far into our future, but that is because He is omniscient, but that doesn't mean He tries to control us or is insensitive to us. He experienced everything we experience in the flesh, so He does understand us. He does answer prayers. Sometimes the answer is yes, sometimes no, and sometimes wait, but however He answers, remember that His intelligence and wisdom far outweigh ours, and we do know that because He is perfect and cannot err, that His answers are just, whether we understand them or not. We know He always has our best interest at heart. He wants only the best for us. I trust that He knows what is best for us. He would never do anything to hurt us. You know, some blame God for people's death, but sometimes people don't take good care of themselves and their health and end up dying. That's not God's fault. At any time in their lives, all have the opportunity to invite Jesus into their hearts and lives, yet some don't. They want nothing to do with God, and then there are some that come to God selfishly, only when they want something from Him, so like I said, there can be many reasons why some are not healed. That depends on a lot of things. Many don't want to change their ways. And ignore God. When a person comes to God with the attitude that they only come when they need something from him, that's not faith.

[quote]If god has the power to save, how is the choice who lives or dies?[/quote]

Well there's two things to think about here. God definitely has the power to save, but as I mentioned, not all [b]want[/b] to be saved. That choice is up to them. God is not willing that any should stay lost, but us having free will, He will not make that choice FOR us. We are responsible for that choice. Can you force someone to love you? Not really. Some that may be under the control of another, may love someone out of fear, but then that's not really love on the controller's part. For example, you wouldn't want to marry a woman that you forced to love you and that's not even possible. That's not love. You would want her to come to you of her own free will and that way, you would know that she truly loves you. God feels the same. If we say we want nothing to do with Him, and the way some people curse, laugh, and mock Him and say they want nothing to do with Him, then He will honor their request. We wouldn't want it any other way.

@SW-User This world is pretty much shot, yes, absolutely. During our lifetime we may see the Rapture and I believe we will. We can pray so, anyway. Because of the evil in this world it certainly is going to end and we can obviously see that Mother Earth is dying, but thank God we have the hope that when it does end, we can be in heaven with Jesus. A lot of people don't have that hope, so I'm very grateful for that.

@LadyGrace if we’re all on this ship and it’s sinkin’

The. We might as well have a parade

@SW-User I know that lyric.

@GodSpeed63 According to the biblical fairytale, even bad people will gain eternal life. They just won't be admitted to the golden cube called "New Jerusalem."

@Diotrephes [quote] According to the biblical fairytale, even bad people will gain eternal life. They just won't be admitted to the golden cube called "New Jerusalem."[/quote]

Learn to spell, Dio. you're wrong on both counts and have nothing as usual.

@GodSpeed63 You really should read the fairytale if you are going to continue to comment on it.

Here's a passage that might increase your meager knowledge =

Revelation 22:14-15 (CEV)= "14 God will bless all who have washed their robes. They will each have the right to eat fruit from the tree that gives life, and they can enter the gates of the city. 15 But outside the city will be dogs, witches, immoral people, murderers, idol worshipers, and everyone who loves to tell lies and do wrong."

You are coming across as someone wo loves to tell lies.

BTW, will you be so kind as to point out words that I have misspelled? Every once in a while I make typos but I try to correct them when I see them. This forum does not have a spell checker.

@Graylight The bible is full of contractions. A few are listed here - https://www.ocf.berkeley.edu/~wwu/YaBBAttachments/101_Contradictions_In_The_Bible.pdf

@GodSpeed63 [quote]The Word of God is accurate regardless of version.
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You had a conversation with God? That's pretty impressive. There's a guy on SW (he blocks), Canadian, who has regular face-to-face conversations with God. He's also a pedophile.

I wish the God people would be honest, once, with themselves, and admit that they have no proof that there is a God, or that following some sort of religious dogma will get them to the promised land, and that it's all based on blind belief, driven by cult-like structures.

@GodSpeed63 And this is the lazy refusal to critically think about one's own faith for fear of stumbling onto unexpected answers that I find to be bullsh*t.

No, not all versions are correct. There is one correct story and everyone else's interpretation. It is either one way or it is not. Blue is blue and it is not also red because you think God says so. That is, in the common parlance, copping out.

How audacious that you attempt to interpret text originally written in an ancient language. Do you also analyze Kafka from the German?

@Pikachu [quote]Oh...So you admit to the fact that atheists like Richard Dawkins live and breath and make claims.Check mate[/quote]

Learn to read, Pikachu, that was Ken Ham, not me. Check mate. 😂

@suzie1960 [quote] I haven't been here for a while and I thought you might have given up by now. You must really get a kick out of making a fool of yourself.[/quote]

Suzie Q, how are you? I haven't seen in a coon's age. Where've you been hiding? What's your story, Suzie?

@BritishFailedAesthetic [quote]Whoa, are you Ken Ham?[/quote]

No.

@GodSpeed63 You must be famous to have a debate platform with Bill Nye 🧐