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xRedx · M
Morals and religion are separate from each other, so no. You don't need to believe in a religion to have morals.
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Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 [quote]I certainly will [/quote]
Nothing new there then, you're just as confused as ever. :)
Nothing new there then, you're just as confused as ever. :)
JBird · F
Of course, my answer is no. Some people aren't wise enough to understand right from wrong, so they need religion or God which again not always a great idea
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
JBird · F
@GodSpeed63 it's self evident because you're avoiding our request to prove it. 😬
Sharon · F
@GodSpeed63 The fact that you can't (or won't) see that it's self-evident doesn't change the fact that it is. The burden of proof falls to you to prove it isn't.
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
Yes. After all, He's the Author of morality.
JBird · F
@GodSpeed63 how can we believe in your God that we haven't seen and you continuously refuse to show it's existence?
GodSpeed63 · 61-69, M
@JBird [quote]how can we believe in your God that we haven't seen[/quote]
I haven't seen my brother in over 10 years, does that mean I stop believing in him? What about my sister whom I haven't seen in over thirty years, do I stop believing in her? Just because we don't see Yahweh doesn't mean He's not with us.
I haven't seen my brother in over 10 years, does that mean I stop believing in him? What about my sister whom I haven't seen in over thirty years, do I stop believing in her? Just because we don't see Yahweh doesn't mean He's not with us.
JBird · F
@GodSpeed63 you have seen and had physical interactions your siblings before they went absent and there might be proofs they existed with their birth certificates, ID proofs and photos. With their DNA, it can be proved they're your siblings.
I am talking about something that no one has ever seen, explain looks like in their waking life or logical explanation how it functions with real life and no scientific evidences that could prove the thing aka your God is real.
I am talking about something that no one has ever seen, explain looks like in their waking life or logical explanation how it functions with real life and no scientific evidences that could prove the thing aka your God is real.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
The answer is obvious. Many people who are atheists are morally sound people. And conversely...
Jm31xxx · 41-45, M
The thing is, without God, the concept of morality is debatable. If we ultimately live in a bleak, pitiless Universe with no God(s) like the Atheists want us all too then essentially we should all just become nihilistic.
newjaninev2 · 56-60, F
@Jm31xxx perhaps you’re confounding ethics and morals?
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Jm31xxx [quote] we should all just become nihilistic.[/quote]
Why?
The universe in general might be bleak and pitiless but that is no reason to assume that our small part of it is or has to be.
Why?
The universe in general might be bleak and pitiless but that is no reason to assume that our small part of it is or has to be.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Jm31xxx [quote]Nihilism reigns.[/quote]
Really? Where? As I type this I can here sounds of children happily playing in the school playground, on my daily walk this morning I passed a number of people all of whom seemed happy and lively. None seemed bent on putting their shoulder to the destruction of the world.
[quote]“Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one’s shoulder to the plough; one destroys” (Will to Power).[/quote]
Really? Where? As I type this I can here sounds of children happily playing in the school playground, on my daily walk this morning I passed a number of people all of whom seemed happy and lively. None seemed bent on putting their shoulder to the destruction of the world.
[quote]“Nihilism is . . . not only the belief that everything deserves to perish; but one actually puts one’s shoulder to the plough; one destroys” (Will to Power).[/quote]
I think some people do to help explain that beyond the law and really reinforce why something is truly wrong and not just wrong bc the law says so.
Chevy454 · 46-50, M
Don’t need god for shit
justbob · 61-69, M
Only if you want an objective universal definition of morality. If you are OK with cultural relativism where all value systems (including those that have no problem with slavery, cannibalism, etc etc) are equally good then it won't matter to you what God says.
My point is that without an objective universal moral compass accepting our Creator's will as what is right, there is no reasonable basis for calling anything wrong.
This is an inescapable truth that atheists who pretend that it still makes sense to have morals without God like to ignore. They also make up very amusing illogical arguments (like the one you are probably about to post) to try and paper over this inescapable fact.
My point is that without an objective universal moral compass accepting our Creator's will as what is right, there is no reasonable basis for calling anything wrong.
This is an inescapable truth that atheists who pretend that it still makes sense to have morals without God like to ignore. They also make up very amusing illogical arguments (like the one you are probably about to post) to try and paper over this inescapable fact.
LeopoldBloom · M
@justbob If there is an objective, universal moral code, why do religious people disagree on what it is? All you’re doing is supporting your own personal code with an appeal to authority.
LonelyMan · M
Simply look at our nation going straight to hell because most folks don't believe and make fun of God and believers. This is the result- and it will get much worse.
Budwick · 70-79, M
No.
You could have some morals and not even believe in God.
What need God for is Salvation!
And God sent His only Son Jesus for that.
You could have some morals and not even believe in God.
What need God for is Salvation!
And God sent His only Son Jesus for that.