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justbob · 61-69, M
Only if you want an objective universal definition of morality. If you are OK with cultural relativism where all value systems (including those that have no problem with slavery, cannibalism, etc etc) are equally good then it won't matter to you what God says.
My point is that without an objective universal moral compass accepting our Creator's will as what is right, there is no reasonable basis for calling anything wrong.
This is an inescapable truth that atheists who pretend that it still makes sense to have morals without God like to ignore. They also make up very amusing illogical arguments (like the one you are probably about to post) to try and paper over this inescapable fact.
My point is that without an objective universal moral compass accepting our Creator's will as what is right, there is no reasonable basis for calling anything wrong.
This is an inescapable truth that atheists who pretend that it still makes sense to have morals without God like to ignore. They also make up very amusing illogical arguments (like the one you are probably about to post) to try and paper over this inescapable fact.
@justbob
[quote]t without an objective universal moral compass accepting our Creator's will as what is right, there is no reasonable basis for calling anything wrong.
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Ah, i think that's where you're wrong.
Across all cultures we find that for members of the group life is generally preferable to death, pleasure is generally preferable to pain and flourishing is generally preferable to suffering.
So if we can agree on simple precepts like that we now how have an objective measure against which to test our moral choices.
Given that model, why would we need a god to behave morally?
[quote]t without an objective universal moral compass accepting our Creator's will as what is right, there is no reasonable basis for calling anything wrong.
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Ah, i think that's where you're wrong.
Across all cultures we find that for members of the group life is generally preferable to death, pleasure is generally preferable to pain and flourishing is generally preferable to suffering.
So if we can agree on simple precepts like that we now how have an objective measure against which to test our moral choices.
Given that model, why would we need a god to behave morally?
LeopoldBloom · M
@justbob If there is an objective, universal moral code, why do religious people disagree on what it is? All you’re doing is supporting your own personal code with an appeal to authority.