If i tell you that any of the apparent design you saw in the universe was not the work of god... [Spirituality & Religion]

Why should there be. Truth is truth. @Bushranger

@Speedyman Not talking about truth here, but about examining concepts by way of hypotheticals and imagination. But yes, truth is truth, it just requires a determination as to which truth is the real one.

Absolutely that’s why I believe the truth@Bushranger

@Italianlover [quote]what are we evolving to[/quote]

There’s no way of knowing... it depends on a constantly changing environment, and the consequent effects on allele frequency and distribution.

Do you understand that evolution issn’t teleological... there’s no goal, no ‘target’.

Ask me again in 20,000 years (although our species is very likely to be extinct before then)

@newjaninev2 our wonderful college professors at work. Kent State is proof they're dumb asses. You're brainwashed my man. Good luck you're gonna need it

@Italianlover Your response makes no sense, and I cannot see how it is germane to what we are discussing

@Pikachu I didn't mean to imply I that his idea or beliefs are less valid than mine. Theory was not the word I should have used it looks like my belief was more concrete than time travel aliens. I've watched history channel ancient aliens I find that very interesting. my favorite story part talking about the ark not being big enough to carry two creatures from every species but if an account soon just took DNA from every critter that could be stored till after the flood. The floods been proven the Divine intervention is faith. Anyway sorry if I acted like I was better. Not my intention. thank you

@kentex35

No worries, i didn't get the impression that you were being condescending.

@Pikachu thx

@xRedx Lmao no you just don't want to answer the question for the reason I stated.

As for the rest, I have to assume you're trolling that's the best compliment I can give you because otherwise.. 😂

@xRedx Yes, that assertion would have to be proven, same as the assertion that an eternal, invisible, all-powerful being is responsible for the apparent design we observe. The point is that Pikachu's assertion isn't any more or less plausible than the theistic one.

@xRedx

Yes, if i claimed that this was the truth then i would bear the burden of proof just as the theist does.
But as i'm sure you're aware, the rejection of the claim "god is real" is frequently met with "prove god is not real".
My question is, am i as justified in asking you to disprove my future human/alien claim as you are to ask me to disprove a god claim.

@trackman11

Good attitude.
Me neither.

@trackman11 good man

If you believe Sam Harris you will believe anybody! What a plonker! 🤣@newjaninev2

@Speedyman In the quote I posted, Sam Harris isn’t asking you to believe him. He’s pointing out the absurdity of your statement that there’s 'no evidence for atheism’.

I’m glad Sam Harris isn’t asking me to believe him because he is quite absurd@newjaninev2

@SatanBurger

Me too. I suspect the bible will enter into it. Beyond that i expect to hear that the universe must have come from somewhere and therefore it is more justifiable to believe a god is responsible.

@Pikachu After seeing further responses, you're getting a lot of red herrings, I think we both know why but I won't go into it lol. The answer is if one believes that God just created the whole universe without such evidence other than the bible, than it could very well be aliens or time traveling humans also but they won't tell you that ;)

@SatanBurger @Pikachu @Italianlover @newjaninev2 @Bushranger
How can I or anyone prove that God created the earth, and that he is with those who love Him. I think you have to look at the Christian countries and see they are prospering, and Christian families and see that they are successful, and talk to someone who has faith and has seen God move in many peoples lives, and talk to many very successful and happy scientists and their families. The really successful scientists that I have seen in my home, visiting researchers from all over the world, are curious people. Not only about science but about why we are here, where we came from, and how to be happy and be successful. They ski, play the piano, have bands, they paint, write books, travel everywhere, and read everything including the Bible.

Science does not answer the vital questions they have, so they aren't fanatical about what they do in general, it is a reward for being curious and diligent at work and highly educated. The most vital questions are where did we come from, why are we here, and what is our purpose for living, and how to have success. Science only answers some, not all, and it doesn't give a road to successful living, hope for the future, and why we are here, and what happens to our soul, and that there is someone who will help us when we are discouraged.

The Bible answers all those questions. It gives us hope for the future because we know someone loves us and will help us. "We are fearfully, and wonderfully made" God tells us. God has a purpose for all of us. To live our best life. This life is very important, but short. I have a strong faith and believe God gives me wisdom daily of what to do, and he helps me. I would have never been as successful in my field if I hadn't leaned on God. I would not be writing books, I would not have been able to have a business, or overcome so many obstacles, and also have fun, ski, and travel. Why I love the videos is because Dr. Tour is a great scientist and knows many scientists, and like myself he will admit we know nearly nothing. The more we know, the more we know that we don't know very much at all. But the Bible tells us all that we need to know to have a very successful science career, or to be successful in anything in life! Who but Jesus can take away all your sins so you stand spotless in front of God, and who else but Jesus answers prayers, and gives us promises for tomorrow, and tells us the future?

@Italianlover [quote]can't see it or touch it[/quote]

You can measure the pressure it exerts, you can analyse its chemical composition, you can measure its effects (e.g. Raleigh Scattering), and the only reason it is invisible to [i]human[/i] eyes is that our eyes are adapted to the subset of the electromagnetic spectrum where air has no absorption peaks.

Can’t touch it? lol! What do you think wind might be?

@Italianlover

[quote]JUST LIKE AIR, you can't see it or touch it but you know it's there. SO IS GOD![/quote]

I'm sorry, but that's such a weak analogy. As newjanine explained to you, air is measurable and quantifiable.

Say, did you understand the ape evolution post?