FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I remember eating in a pub/ restaurant the week before the smoking ban came in. I couldn't wait for the opportunity to taste my food without the accompaniment of the blue death floating around me. Went back a week later and the place was only half full. However, within a month or so, it was not just business as usual, he place was difficult to get into because of the numbers who are pleased to come out and eat in clean air.
It was expected that I would hold the door open for women, give my seat up on the bus for old people and at the same time, socially acceptable to make sexist jokes about wives and girlfriends in mixed company. It was socially acceptable for any adult to engage in a conversation with a child without suspicion of ulterior, predatory motives. Each of us will have our own views on which of those socially accepted behaviours we are better rid of.
It was expected that I would hold the door open for women, give my seat up on the bus for old people and at the same time, socially acceptable to make sexist jokes about wives and girlfriends in mixed company. It was socially acceptable for any adult to engage in a conversation with a child without suspicion of ulterior, predatory motives. Each of us will have our own views on which of those socially accepted behaviours we are better rid of.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@FreddieUK I recall a somewhat similar conversation, in a mixed group.
At the time it was becoming unacceptable for solo male motorists to stop to offer assistance to lone women drivers whose cars had broken down. More accurately, becoming dangerous to do so. All we men present agreed we would somehow fail to spot the stranded driver, and the women in the group did sympathise with us.
I think a lot of this was being stepped up partly by the tiny number of serious attacks that do happen; but also by certain politicians and others, notably Harriet Harman (MP, and married) and her pal Roz Hepplewhite. Hepplewhite came over as a very cold-hearted, arch bureaucrat socially unfit to run the non-political Child Support Agency she was paid to oversee. These two women helped foment a widespread myth that all men are dangerous to all women and children. Never the other way round.
At the time it was becoming unacceptable for solo male motorists to stop to offer assistance to lone women drivers whose cars had broken down. More accurately, becoming dangerous to do so. All we men present agreed we would somehow fail to spot the stranded driver, and the women in the group did sympathise with us.
I think a lot of this was being stepped up partly by the tiny number of serious attacks that do happen; but also by certain politicians and others, notably Harriet Harman (MP, and married) and her pal Roz Hepplewhite. Hepplewhite came over as a very cold-hearted, arch bureaucrat socially unfit to run the non-political Child Support Agency she was paid to oversee. These two women helped foment a widespread myth that all men are dangerous to all women and children. Never the other way round.
gandalf1957 · 61-69, M
@ArishMell yes i remember talking to someone at that time, now in his mid 80s, he told me whereas once he would have stopped to help a stranded woman driver now he would drive on until he could find a convenient parking place and then call the police by mobile to say he had passed a stranded woman driver at "X". Of course the police might then take 2 hours or so to go and investigate .....
exexec · 70-79, C
All that you mentioned. Kids were allowed to run free. Boys organized their own ball games with no adult interference/supervision. Of course, I can't ignore the racial segregation and Jim Crow rules that were everywhere in my southern town.
rinkydinkydoink · M
What you and others have pointed out.
Maybe these examples don't adhere to what's being discussed but here goes - - - - Dogs were allowed to run loose in our area (but maybe not downtown, of course). I remember them chasing cars.
Also, people were also permitted to burn piled-up leaves in their yards come autumn.
Maybe these examples don't adhere to what's being discussed but here goes - - - - Dogs were allowed to run loose in our area (but maybe not downtown, of course). I remember them chasing cars.
Also, people were also permitted to burn piled-up leaves in their yards come autumn.
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@JimboSaturn do they just take your word for all that?
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@WowwGirl I think the fire department may come in some instances and check out you property. Of course it's also a way for your municipality to make money lol. I think having to go through the formality of getting a permit, will make you think about what your are doing a little more.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@JimboSaturn yeah no way, that sounds like a lot
ArishMell · 70-79, M
Being civilised enough to refrain from calling people "morons" etc, sometimes complete with foul language, simply for expressing a different opinion?
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I agree fully with your observations on smoking.
Along with your examples, I recall seeing small metal plates screwed to the seat-backs in buses. They were embossed with chequer-patterned ridges and the legend, STUBBER.
I think I have seen similar, with a small ashtray too, in cinemas and theatres.
The smoking ban has certainly made going for a meal or a drink far more pleasant, even to the extent of going home without your hair and clothes smelling like a garden bonfire.
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I agree fully with your observations on smoking.
Along with your examples, I recall seeing small metal plates screwed to the seat-backs in buses. They were embossed with chequer-patterned ridges and the legend, STUBBER.
I think I have seen similar, with a small ashtray too, in cinemas and theatres.
The smoking ban has certainly made going for a meal or a drink far more pleasant, even to the extent of going home without your hair and clothes smelling like a garden bonfire.
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@ArishMell I remember the stubbers! Stubbed-out cigarettes seemed to be everywhere when I was a lad.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@SpudMuffin They were. Now it's discarded single-use "vapes"; and the sale of these will soon be illegal because they are so much trouble.
I miss being able to walk through a mall while enjoying a cigarette in peace...
It was also more common to beat your children and throw them across the room back then, too.
And we had a public paddling pool that we could go paddle in on hot days.
Racism still seems to be the done thing around here, though... that hasn't changed.
It was also more common to beat your children and throw them across the room back then, too.
And we had a public paddling pool that we could go paddle in on hot days.
Racism still seems to be the done thing around here, though... that hasn't changed.
HumanEarth · F
I miss smoking in bars
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
That was funny, as if the non smoking section had clean air lol.
Drinking and driving is a big one.
Diving without seatbelts.
Smoking and drinking while pregnant.
Drinking and driving is a big one.
Diving without seatbelts.
Smoking and drinking while pregnant.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@JimboSaturn Until you mentioned the last three, I had forgotten them. It goes to show just how normalised those behaviours are now to the point that I don't even think about them as issues. But the transitions to each position (probably can't speak authoritatively about the last) were fraught with arguments over personal freedom.
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
@FreddieUK I remember being flabbergasted that you wouldn't be able to smoke in a pub or bar!! That's all we did was smoke and drink! I thought the world had gone mad lol.
I knew people who would litteral drink while driving; they claimed it actually made them a better driver.
I knew people who would litteral drink while driving; they claimed it actually made them a better driver.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@JimboSaturn Yep, I remember that too. I guess most of them are dead now...one way or another. 😕
JimboSaturn · 56-60, M
Generally more sexism, racism, and homophobia was present in my early years.
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@JimboSaturn that’s what I remember. Many of the cartoons I watched had some blatantly racist images. And the N word was somewhat common to hear during normal conversation.
Peanut shells on the floor of some restaurants or bars
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
When I was a kid, people could have pigs in suburbs. 😆
HumanEarth · F
Or did the suburbs move out to the country?
CrazyMusicLover · 31-35
@HumanEarth At some places definitely.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Casual sexism/racism/homophobia. The latter was actually enshrined in the school curriculum until the late 1990s.
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HumanEarth · F
@Gangstress @JimboSaturn
What I mean is. Back when I was young it was common you use them terms against someone and not think twice about.
Same with spankings and such
What I mean is. Back when I was young it was common you use them terms against someone and not think twice about.
Same with spankings and such
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