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I personally believe transgender men are taking rights away from women

Rights as in our rights to have women sports, women bathrooms, little known fact, we already have a class of sports that totally accepts anyone, it's been falsely identified as the " men's League " but in all reality it's the world's league, if I was skilled enough in chess I could go for the world title against Magnus Carlson, why don't they just stick to where the true equality is? Instead of going to the women's league and breaking all the world records that true born women have strived their whole lives to accomplish

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YourMomsSecretCrush · M

why not let trans athletes compete against other trans athletes. thats an equal playing field. not some 6'4, 250 pound dude who has decided he is female in order to break all the womens records.

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WillaKissing · 56-60

@YourMomsSecretCrush Agreed!

BeefySenpie · M

@NerdyPotato What? I’ve read many stories where a trans mtf athlete has competed in sports such as endurance events and swimming and performed exceedingly well.

The maths will not lie. If the percentages of trans athletes and those medaling don’t match up at all, it’s obvious why

NerdyPotato · M

@BeefySenpie yes, but that was not because they were transgender. But if you're worried about women like Leah Thomas, that's a good argument to not force transgender girls through male puberty.

JonLosAngeles66 · M

The numbers of trans athletes is really low. I'm sure you're life as a woman is not affected at all.

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CestManan · 46-50, F

@CestManan Whoever DV'ed this, you know it's true. Like why does she care? It would be like if a poor person were to concern himself with how Elon Musk is spending his money.

iamonfire696 · 41-45, F

@JonLosAngeles66 I agree

WhyThooo · 31-35

@JonLosAngeles66 Men in dresses have silenced me many times as an actual feminist so. It 10000% affects women.

BlueVeins · 22-25

Transgender men want to compete in men's leagues and use men's rooms. It's the Conservatives that are trying to force transgender guys to use women's bathrooms and compete in women's sports.

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CestManan · 46-50, F

@BlueVeins Conservatives hate trans to the point where they sometimes try to accuse ciswomen of being trans for who knows what reason.

They think all trans are "into under 18" and some women are "really men".

Not sure how to put it, with the censorship being so bad on here, it's hard to know what words we can no longer use.

boudinMan · 61-69, M

@BlueVeins most transgender men can't make the cut to compete against biological men because they are biologically female. it's that simple.

CountScrofula · 41-45, M

Alright you're magically in charge of society. Poof.

What do you do about it? Tell me what laws you would pass.

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SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F

@CountScrofula kiiiiiiiiiinda

HootyTheNightOwl

@CountScrofula Still no answer yet??? ☹️☹️☹️

NerdyPotato · M

@HootyTheNightOwl nope, and she has answered other comments since this question was asked. Maybe it's too hard to answer?

MrBlueGuy

It's a complicated issue. When it comes to bathrooms it's easy to say, use the bathroom that aligns with the sex you were assigned at birth... but what if you're a fully transitioned and expressing male to female transgender woman that passes 100% as a woman? Would you want that person to use the men's bathroom?

Sports is another issue, and again it's complicated. Everyone wants fairness in sports. I would say sports by their very nature are unfair. People are born with certain biological advantages over other people..height, strength, speed, intelligence. Of course there's tons of training involved but the person with the best training AND the biological advantages will usually come out ahead. Then if you throw performance enhancing drugs into the mix that also skews everything. Maybe they can make the rules that in order to participate in women's sports as a transgender woman you have to be fully transitioned for a certain number of years and have the testosterone levels and estrogen levels of an average woman. But that doesn't take away the advantage of the male frame. So yes it doesn't seem fair if a male athlete, so someone who already probably is above average in a lot of biological qualities that make them good at sports...transitions well into adulthood, and then competes with women in sports like powerlifting, swimming or MMA where they can dominate.

Do we limit the type of sports transgender women can compete in? Make separate leagues for transgender athletes? I don't have a good answer but I think we should at least try to find a solution that doesn't make female athletes feel like the game is rigged but also doesn't make transgender athletes feel excluded or marginalized.

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HootyTheNightOwl

@MrBlueGuy I rocked up in the packed ladies room as a teenager. I was dressed as a guy.

I guess that I passed well enough that day because women were dragging their children away from me - until I removed my cap and shook my long hair loose.

If I'd known that I passed that well that day, I'd have used a more private toilet facility than that one.

Sometimes, it's not just about our safety... but it can also be that we don't want you worrying about your children when we're just there for the same reason as you are.

MrBlueGuy

@HootyTheNightOwl The children thing I don't quite get either. Anyone could be a danger to children.. I wouldn't be sending a child unattended into a public washroom whether it was trans friendly or not.

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Adogslife · 61-69, M

Transgender men are not women regardless of their stage in the process of sex change. It should be an affront to women who are biologically different.

Notice they don’t do this to men. The women couldn’t compete nor would they want to use men’s bathrooms.

Laws and fairness are meant to support the majority, not an infinitesimally small minority. That minority should have their own competitions regardless of the sex they’ve changed to.

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SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F

@Adogslife I'm not talking about any of that. He has literal advantages over other people that have nothing to do with talent or practice. Look it up, the dude's a mermaid in human form

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CestManan · 46-50, F

@SarahAndSamantha

There it is, folks, the accidental ally quote of the day

Miss Sarah I will be honest, it took me a moment but I see what happened there.
And you are 100% correct. 🙂

TurtlePink · 22-25, F

So a transgender man is someone who used to be a woman right? the terminology be getting me confused sometimes ngl.

So are you saying that someone who used to be a woman is taking rights away from women? I had no idea that was going on.

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CestManan · 46-50, F

@TurtlePink It's like everyone wants to "Cancel" everyone else these days.

There is a lot of controversy surrounding trans and to be honest, I doubt the trans community itself is the cause.

TurtlePink · 22-25, F

@CestManan I agree.

Piffy · 22-25, F

@TurtlePink I don't support their delusions, a transgender man was born a man and will die a man, a transgender woman was born a woman and will die a woman

BohemianBabe · M

Instead of going to the women's league and breaking all the world records that true born women have strived their whole lives to accomplish

People have been saying this for like two decades now and it still hasn't happened. Professional women's sports leagues don't just let in anyone who claims they're a woman. If a trans woman wants to compete, she has to be on HRT, usually for at least two years.

NerdyPotato · M

@BohemianBabe exactly, and most who are allowed into the competition after all that, don't get anywhere near the top because they don't have any proven physical advantage.

And for some reason there is no outrage over those women competing near the bottom of the ranking. It's only when they win that it must be because they're transgender and it can't possibly be because they trained hard and are good at their sports.

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SarahAndSamantha · 46-50, F

Love that you brought up chess. What biological advantages do men have in chess? Remember, they banned transwomen (what you meant when you said "transgender men") from competing in the women's category in chess as well.

So what are you trying to say?

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BohemianBabe · M

@Piffy Do you think maybe that might have to do with how society has kept women out of those fields for most of history?

WhyThooo · 31-35

@BohemianBabe none the less men have decades of experience on women so. Still not fair woke misogynist.

BohemianBabe · M

@WhyThooo I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make.

YourMomsSecretCrush · M

The opinions of female athletes are really the only opinions that matter on this subject. I’m sure it varies depending on which ones you ask.

CestManan · 46-50, F

@YourMomsSecretCrush What about the opinions of aging, overweight politicians?

BohemianBabe · M

@YourMomsSecretCrush Nah, the only opinion that matters is mine.

ABCDEF7 · M

I agree with you. The feminine sexual structure of a person(transgender men) doesn't make them to be at par with the physical & mental structure of a true born women to compete or live with them in a same category.

HootyTheNightOwl

Sources, please???

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HootyTheNightOwl

@helsbels Lol... That's not a credible source. Half of it's "supporting evidence" is untraceable because it's locked behind a paywall.

helsbels · 31-35, F

@HootyTheNightOwl Really? I can see it all just fine, a long list. But always in these conversations no source is ever deemed acceptable, or the goal posts always move 🤷‍♀️ You're as fixed in your opinipn as I am in mine and won't accept any alternative.

HootyTheNightOwl

@helsbels Maybe you can enlighten us on this and it's sources, then??? I tried to check the sources myself - but, like I said, it's behind a paywall.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/03/23/transgender-adults-transitioning-poll/

I've heard arguments from both sides of the fence on this - and I still struggle to find logical arguments to support this "unfair" advantage that trans women have??? I mean, sure, they might or might not be taller than a biological woman... but, even if they do the bare minimum to transition, which is taking HRT - even the Mayo clinic has this to say...

Less muscle mass. This will begin 3 to 6 months after treatment starts. You'll see the full effect within 1 to 2 years.

So, if you're looking to transition just to "win all the awards at women's competitions", you're kind of defeating the purpose given the fact that you're sacrificing your muscles.

NerdyPotato · M

How do transgender men take anything away from any of those things? They're trying to get out of those places, but bigoted laws keep pushing them back in.

Beth35 · 36-40, F

Why do you think so?

TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M

Yes you're right ✅️

WillaKissing · 56-60

I agree!

basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M

Oh hey, is that what Fox News told you to be outraged about today?

BohemianBabe · M

@basilfawlty89 This heat is woke!!

ViciDraco · 36-40, M

I generally think it's better to group people by ability ranges rather than sex or gender.

Look at wrestling, the sport not the entertainment. They don't have just any guys compete. They separate into weight classes. I don't see why other sports don't have the same thing. Take a few key abilities for the sport, measure them, and classify people into competition that way.