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You know what was interesting?

I recently watched a video essay on how to argue effectively on political issues. The thesis was, when arguing with conservatives, it’s far more effective to bring up things like honor and purity and economics than it is to bring up morals and humanity.

It is true, it’s not wrong. And this is the world we live in. As my favorite union rep on here says “do you want to be right or do you want to win?”

Remember what you’re standing against that you have to do this, but also remember winning is what matters. Not winning on your terms. That entire ideology must be stopped for the good of everyone.

Don’t talk about what would convince you; focus on what would convince them. Worry about a world without that heartless opposition another day.

Today is not the day for that.
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krf336 · M
@PalteseMalconFunch I understand your arguement entirely, and the ideology behind it, even if you dont seem too. The tactics that you are calling for are rooted in the ideology that you say needs to be eradicated at all costs.
You said that things like honor and purity are more important than morals and humanity?
That is exactly how Hitler got the German people on his side after WWI, through preaching about the honor and pride of Germany and the purity of the Arian race at the cost of morals and humanity.

"do you want to be right or do you want to win?”
remember winning is what matters. Not winning on your terms. That entire ideology must be stopped for the good of everyone.
Don’t talk about what would convince you; focus on what would convince them. Worry about a world without that heartless opposition another day.
Today is not the day for that."

I dont think I need to elaborate on how that worked out.
krf336 · M
@bijouxbroussard thats not even remotely true
krf336 · M
@PalteseMalconFunch which is untrue.. and even if it was, why would you stoop to that level.
@krf336 It’s completely true. Either you misread the post or, as the OP says you wanted to misinterpret what was said. And my opinion about MAGA has been borne out by results. The only way people who believe they support the rule of law would then turn around and elect a convicted criminal is because a platform based upon hatred and xenophobia spoke to them.
krf336 · M
The first mistake is thinking that you have to "argue" at all. Youll get much farther in any endevour if you give up the idea that there is only one right way and you have to win at all costs.

This post is disturbing.
"it’s far more effective to bring up things like honor and purity and economics than it is to bring up morals and humanity."

As if free thought and opposing viewpoints are the problem?

If you have completely shut out any possibility that you may not be 100% right and that there is nothing you can learn from anyone with an opposing viewpoint, there is no reason to even have the discussion and you have reached the level of the nazi's "Final solution".

"Remember what you’re standing against that you have to do this, but also remember winning is what matters. Not winning on your terms. That entire ideology must be stopped for the good of everyone"

Good lord. There is a Holocaust survivor somewhere in a cold sweat right now.
krf336 · M
@Virgo79 I stop when they resort to name calling and insults.
Virgo79 · 61-69, M
@krf336 I've kinda got to expect that.
PalteseMalconFunch · 36-40, T
@krf336 You keep trying to compare what I’m saying to Nazis because you completely and totally misunderstand everything I’m saying.

I think deliberately so.

Nazism is a good example of something that can never ever happen again and must be stopped at all costs.

Why are you not understanding this?
Tbh I think I know what you mean. I used to think in terms of like, life or death survival for the USA, as if everything in the world had to benefit us or it was against us. Then I realized there are actually people in real life or death situations and I was getting caught up in trying to keep my own head above the water without considering that.
PalteseMalconFunch · 36-40, T
@SinlessOnslaught Yea. that’s a hard jump to make. It requires a lot of empathy. It’s easy and comfortable to draw lines of division.

It’s much more difficult to think to yourself “well I would not do that, but also I have never been pushed that far”

It’s the second part that so many fail in understanding. They stop at the first part. They view everyone as enemies. But they don’t realize that given enough pressure they would become everything they look down on.
Wiseacre · F
@PalteseMalconFunch great comment...ppl take the line of least resistance.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
You got it. Also if I really wanna convince someone I focus on areas of like interest. Most people actually want the same stuff - dignity, affordability, and comfort.
PalteseMalconFunch · 36-40, T
@CountScrofula Basically, they do.
uncalled4 · 56-60, M
The key to any effective argument is staying calm and not getting emotionally involved, which is something that I see the vast majority of people do, and I find it puzzling.

It also brings out, in my opinion, some of the ugliest behavior of mankind.

There might be a fight out there, but it's surely not with each other and certainly no one here.

I must be a freak because I can listen to another point of view that is 180 degrees out with mine and not get homicidal. This does not mean that I lack conviction or passion for certain subjects, people, etc., I'm just not going to throw hammers at people. That separates me from...lots of others.
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oogirl · 13-15, F
How are honor and purity not part of morals and humanity? This makes no sense at all. And why is winning better than being in the right? Is this some kind of joke and I just don't get it? It all sounds like nonsense.
oogirl · 13-15, F
PalteseMalconFunch · 36-40, T
@oogirl Why “sir”? It matters how I answer this question
oogirl · 13-15, F
@PalteseMalconFunch I'm sorry. I just assumed. If you are a woman I'm sorry. I did not know.
DonaldTrumpet · 70-79, M
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AllTheSith · 36-40, M
We are the Sith.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
HEY YEAH YOU👉.
Where's the advice for arguing with the insane side.
Oh I forgot it's impolite to call the mentality ill crazy.

 
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