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it is a fact that science is not fit to be an absolute authority of reality.

while science has undeniably expanded our understanding of the world, it is based on the data provided by our senses. however, these senses are limited and do not provide a complete picture of reality.

limited range of perception: our senses—sight, hearing, touch, taste, and smell—have a limited range. for example, humans can’t perceive ultraviolet or infrared light, yet we know through science that such wavelengths exist and have an impact on the world. this means that the reality we perceive with our senses is partial, and there may be entire dimensions or phenomena beyond our perception that are crucial to understanding the universe.

subjectivity of perception: each individual’s perception of the world is subjective and can be influenced by various factors, such as biology, environment, culture, and personal experience. our brains can be easily deceived (optical illusions, auditory hallucinations, etc.), and what one person experiences may not be universally true. this challenges the idea that sensory perception can be the sole basis for universal knowledge.

quantitative vs. qualitative knowledge: science often emphasizes objective, quantifiable data. however, much of human experience cannot be reduced to numbers or measurements. emotions, consciousness, moral intuition, and even the subjective experience of beauty or awe are not easily explainable by scientific methods alone. the qualitative aspects of life, which are a large part of human existence, elude the scientific method’s capacity to fully grasp.

potential for unobservable phenomena: there are phenomena that science may currently be unable to observe, like dark matter or consciousness itself. if science is only concerned with what can be directly measured by our senses or through instruments designed to extend those senses, it might miss out on aspects of reality that are beyond this scope.

the limits of instrumentation: even with advanced instruments that extend the range of human senses (microscopes, telescopes, etc.), there are still aspects of reality that remain inaccessible. instruments can enhance perception, but they cannot create the ability to sense things that our biology was not designed to detect. the very act of observing something through instruments can change its nature, as seen in quantum physics, where observation affects the outcome of experiments.

philosophical limitations:
scientism assumes that all meaningful knowledge is scientific. however, there are philosophical questions about existence, meaning, and consciousness that science cannot answer. metaphysical questions, such as why the universe exists or what consciousness truly is, may fall outside the domain of empirical investigation.

tl;dr our senses are inherently limited, and the universe may contain dimensions and truths that our biology and our scientific instruments cannot yet access or fully interpret. therefore, scientism fails to account for the entirety of human experience and reality itself.

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ViciDraco · 41-45, M Best Comment
I agree with the general premise here. Science is a process. The process can only be as good as the abilities and tools we have to carry it out.

Science is not the absolute authority of reality. But it is the best one we have. So that is what we use.

4meAndyou · F
It's as I hypothesized in high school. Science is only PART of the equation. The merger of Art and Science approaches reality...but doesn't QUITE make it. Science, Art, Intuition, and Spirit together are the only way humans can perceive the answers.
Color me unconvinced. If there's something out there that can influence matter in this universe, then we can detect that influence.

Take dark matter. Sure, we can't see it, just like we can't see the black holes in the middles of Seyfert galaxies. But we can see the effects of dark matter in both galaxy rotational velocity profiles and in gravitational lensing.

If you want to propose the existence of a whole universe of things which don't in any way affect the matter in this universe – say 1000 angels dancing on the head of every pin – then propose away, but if they can't affect this universe then they only exist in your imagination.

As for the problem of consciousness, it all depends on the definition. Give us a definition and we'll tell you whether it has a measurable effect on matter in this universe.
@trash Should I color you like the heads of the pins on which your angels dance??
trash · 31-35, M
@ElwoodBlues bro what

i take my half-sorry back
@trash Thanks for making it clear that you just want to have your say and then toss insults. Thanks for making it clear that intellectual debate isn't on your agenda.
Richard65 · M
Science is the best method we have. There are phenomena we don't understand or cannot see or sense, but science acknowledges that and makes the concerted effort to investigate and discover more. Theology tries to offer an imaginary reason for such phenomena without looking for tangible evidence of it, and calls it God or Angels or the Holy Spirit. There's no evidence of God, just a belief that He exists. Indeed, to look for tangible evidence of God goes against Christianity's central tenet, faith, which is defined as belief without evidence. If you have tangible proof God exists, then you have no need of faith and the foundation of Abrahamic religion crumbles. That's the genius of religious doctrine; it says do not try to prove God exists, just have faith and believe He does. Science cannot accept that situation.
ABCDEF7 · M
While science is excellent at explaining physical processes, it struggles to explain subjective experience. No amount of physical measurements seem capable of explaining why and how subjective experience arises, that is the "hard problem of consciousness". All the objects of empirical sciences can be fully analyzed in structural terms but that consciousness is (or has) something over and above structure of science.

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@ABCDEF7 Makes sense, doesn't it?

The emergent bit of consciousness, sure, but subjectivity is easy.
ABCDEF7 · M
@SomeMichGuy There are also many religion or philosophies that makes. But that doesn't answers everything. I guess you didn't listened what David Chalmers is talking about Science of consciousness and herd problem of consciousness in TED talks.
@ABCDEF7 Again, you veer off.

Subjectivity is obvious, given comsciousness arising from neural networks.
Nope.

Science is largely done with instruments which are much better than our senses by

• not measuring subjectively;
• not being subject to becoming re-calibrated by exposure to dynamically-changing background;
• not being sensible only to exponential differences;
• having a far greater range than our senses;
• measuring with repeatable accuracy and better precision.

Further, the test of science's correctness is repeatability and usefulness in predicting outcomes. The NON-reproducibility of results is why the social "sciences" are on the ropes, while the natural sciences have brought you the technology via which you can have and access "the Internet".
trash · 31-35, M
@SomeMichGuy verified with....(drum roll) our senses! but [reason]

ok ill be back tomorrow to argue ok
@trash You don't understand what science has discovered and science is, in fact, the arbiter of scientific truth.

For any propositions which are decidable (or even potentially decidable), science is the way to go.

For undecidable propositions, have at them.
trash · 31-35, M
@SomeMichGuy the point------->

(^.^) (your head)
DDonde · 31-35, M
I'm going to take issue with this line
instruments can enhance perception, but they cannot create the ability to sense things that our biology was not designed to detect.

An x-ray machine detects x-rays, which our biology has no way to detect. The machine essentially translates what it detects into something our biology can detect (visible light). There are many other things like this, like Geiger counters. In theory there's nothing stopping us from learning how to translate the output of instruments into input that goes directly into the brain.
trash · 31-35, M
@DDonde i just addressed this in another reply
@trash Where?
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Burke17 · 61-69, M
All correct. However, it is the best available information, and our human sensory limits doesn't mean we can just make up things, and say our feelings are correct. Feelings is a word because it denotes that something isn't a fact. Religions are mere feelings. They are all man made, and irrelevant.
trash · 31-35, M
@Burke17 you can't really say that with absolute authority, tbh

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@trash Religions are mere feelings though. And they are man-made. I wouldn’t say they are irrelevant though
trash · 31-35, M
@Mesthartiya hmMm an unprovable statement but ok

xD

ok im just pulling ya leg. there's a lot wrong with a lot of religions we'll leave it at that
ArishMell · 70-79, M
You cannot dismiss science for being unable to answer all questions, especially those you have chosen to make your point by being ones that no-one would pretend can readily be observed, measured and analysed.

A bit ironical though, trying to use the Internet to discredit science!
WintaTheAngle · 41-45, M
It’s weird how people from the country that makes the most scientific advances in the 21st century, is the same people who say we things like this.
@trash Nope, but you clearly don't understand how much science has accomplished regarding the discovery of new observables which are not part of our five senses.
trash · 31-35, M
@SomeMichGuy im tryna go sleep lol stop tempting me :L

if it isn't empirically verifiable (via our five sense) then it isn't science
@trash Nope.

If it isn't measurable, it isn't under the purview of science. If it isn't reproducible, you can't claim scientific knowledge. You have to the terminology to play.

As has already been pointed out, X-rays aren't observable via our five senses, but they exist. This is true for a number of other things of which you are unaware, including things for which the issue is not "merely" one of range limitations of our senses (as in X-rays, γ-rays, radio waves, ultraviolet & infrared light, ultrasound, etc.).

smh
Is there anything that does..?
Richard65 · M
@trash nobody says it's absolute, it's just the most effective method we have. The fact nobody has a viable alternative is proof enough.
trash · 31-35, M
@Richard65 nobody halfway intelligent, sure

you'd be surprised: this post was copied and pasted from a facebook post I made. i initially posted just the title on a pro-sceince post, and people flocked to tell me that it is, iN fAcT, absolute. so I had to edit my comment and clarify for everyone how, exactly, it isn't
Richard65 · M
@trash it's a good post, and has some interesting points. I agree, nothing is absolute, but science is definitely the only method that is effective.
RedBaron · M
What alternative do you suggest after such a long-winded post?
eMortal · M
The source of authority is holy scriptures that can be verified scientifically.
eMortal · M
@Richard65 The Truth is there's no absolute source of authority. What matters is UNITY. If United an wrong, you better a chance of recovery without too much damage and still get shit done. But if you're divided, no amount of science or religion can save you.
Richard65 · M
@eMortal science is 100% a better source than the holy Scriptures. They can't be verified scientifically. They aren't meant to be verified scientifically. They rely on faith, belief without evidence.
Arboven ·
@eMortal ok then, if it can be verified scientifically, then prove it.

 
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