@nickir In the army, police, etc. the employees wear uniform, not the customers. In schools, the employees dress much as they wish but force their customers (students) to wear uniforms. Even worse, in the UK, school frequently demand uniforms be bought from the school appointed "official supplier" - who has to pay a large bribe ("commission") to the school to be so appointed.

@SunshineGirl If teenagers are shown some respect, they'll usually reciprocate. It seems to work well in the rest of Europe, UK teachers should try it.

@Sharon I wasn't commenting on the behaviour of teenagers, but pointing out that working with young people is very different to working in a "proper job", whatever that may be . .

What European countries are you comparing the UK to? And on what basis do you judge UK teaching methods to be deficient? (there are many different approaches in the different countries of the UK, so difficult to make genetalisations.

At my daughter's school the children are treated with the utmost respect (considerably more respect than I have been shown in some of my recent job roles in the private sector) and placed at the heart of the teaching process. There is a charter setting out behaviour expectations for children and teachers and it works very well. Individual teachers may occasionally lose their cool (as do most of us at some stage in our work), but that does not detract from the profession as a whole.

The state school environment is a lot healthier than it was when I was learning a generation ago. I feel that many of your statements, including the suggestion that "official" uniform suppliers act corruptly and exploit parents, are based on your own experience as a pupil rather than current day observation.

@SunshineGirl

Those I have personal experience of - France, Germany, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Spain, Italy, and Finland spring immediately to mind. I've either worked in those contries or with parents of children at school in those countries. I've found their children to be educated to a higher standard than UK children of the same age. Teachers in those countries tend to be more highly qualified too. In Finland they're required to hold at least a master's degree. Teachers in those countries don't have to waste time policing petty uniform rules either. They're quite capable of teaching no matter what colour socks their students are wearing. UK teachers could learn a lot from them.

That's good to hear but it's very much the exception rather than the rule. She doesn't attend Summerhill School ( https://www.summerhillschool.co.uk ) does she?

I very much doubt teachers held to it as strictly as the students.

In some ways that might be true (teachers are no longer allowed to beat children into submission) but, in general, I find the opposite to be the case. To some extent school are held in check by parent being more willing to take legal action when schools act unlawfully. I've even heard of cases where the headteacher has told parents s/he didn't care what the law says, s/he made the rules in his/her school.

No, they're are based on my experience as a grandparent with grandchildren at school. I've also been told and the "official supplier" arrangements by clothing suppliers whom I've written software for. I need to take the commission/bribe into account when calculating projected profit and loss.

@nickir Teachers who behave like the one in this case deserve all the abuse they get. They should try setting a good example instead. Most school rules aren't reasonable either.

@Caroline259 But my experience says that most of the abusers are the kids.
Granted, none of the schools had uniforms, but it doesn't change the fact that any time the door opens FOR ANY REASON we would have to go back to square one to get the class to calm down. So little teaching got done. Making the teachers VERY expensive baby sitters who are always demanding raises.

@nickir I see you're in the US, I'm in the UK and my comments refer to UK schools.

@MarkPaul She wasn't a student, therefore not required to wear a school uniform but it appears the teacher wouldn't allow her to explain that.

You're the one advocating uniforms, claiming they're so important, so why exampt teachers from that requirement?

I don't resent wearing my uniform, in fact I'm proud to wear it as it represents my acomplishment.

So why object to the suggestion that teachers be required to wear them? You appear to have the mentality of an authoritarian. Are you a teacher?

You should try taking your own advice.

@MarkPaul You must be a troll - or a teacher. Either way, you're a silly little prat. When you grow up, if you ever do, you'll see how much of a fool you make yourself look. Crawl back under your bridge.

@Sharon Probably a troll. I've blocked him now.

@Barefooter25 A lot of them never learned how to act like professionals in the first place.

@Virgo79 Might that have necessitated an ambulance attending him?

@Caroline259 i suppose it cound come to that, i was thinking an inital shaking might solve the issue, but who knows

@Caroline259 That's the same school where I almost passed out on sports day because it was red hot - and some idiot thought it would be funny to make me run in the first two races.

We had no shade that day... and they didn't even provide water or anything to drink. I wouldn't have minded as much if they'd wheeled the tuck shop cart out and sold soda or something - just to stop us from dehydrating. There was nothing at all by way of refreshments.

@HootyTheNightOwl I've had to attend students who have passed out due to dehydration or heat exhaustion thanks to bullying teachers and unreasonable rules. I recently had to attend a school where a boy had passed out in extreme heat because he was required by school rules to wear a blazer, have his top button done up and his tie "tightly tied".

@Caroline259 Looking back now... I firmly believe that this was my first incidence of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome.

I mean, sure, it was hot enough to fry an egg on the sidewalk - but I never felt how I felt that day before (and I'd been out in hotter weather with my mum), I wouldn't feel that way again until 20 years later when I developed the symptoms of what I believe to be Chronic Fatigue. The only difference is that it now happens in all weathers instead of just boiling hot days.

I just can't seem to get a diagnosis, that's all.

@SW-User I don't know that particular school but I've seen teachers treat students like that in schools I have visited.

@originnone I know. I just wondered if people considered it acceptable today.

@Caroline259 No.....I don't think it is.

@Caroline259 Your post doesn't actually say that - I apologise for misunderstanding

@Caroline259 Given your comments after your initial post, I find it difficult to believe your initial comment that "I saw this on another forum. Having witnessed what teachers can be like, I have difficulty beliving the account to be true." And now you are questioning this person who agrees with what you said initially!!

@Zeusdelight I meant to say "... I have no difficulty believing the account to be true." Thank you for pointing my omission out and sorry for any confusion.

@Strongtea I agree. I think that teacher's approach was completely unacceptable, even if his victim were a student.

Yes, maybe they were having a really bad day?@Caroline259

@Strongtea That doesn't excuse his actions. We all have bad days but we don't take it out on others like that. I doubt he would have spoken to a man like that.

@Fluffybull Good point but maybe she did have a visitor's pass. Maybe she tried to show it to him when she tried to explain who she was but as, according to the report, she was just shouted down, it's clear the teacher wasn't interested in establishing the facts.

@thisguy20 I believe this was a fairly recent incident.

@SW-User I'm sure some people become teachers just for the power trip. They'd never get away with that type of behaviour in any other job where they'd be interacting with adults.

@Caroline259 I’d have to agree but not all, some are genuine educators .

@SW-User That's why I said "some". I've seen some very good teachers too.

@bijouxbroussard It was a UK school. I presume it was a state school rather than a private one but I could be wrong about that.

@Convivial Why do you think it's BS. I've seen the way some teachers treat students so I have no difficulty believing that report..

@Caroline259 you refer to get as a woman....I think most teachers would be able to tell the difference... And as you said, it's not something you personally witnessed but just reporting what someone else said... That's all...

@Convivial The report says she was 26 at the time although she looked younger. I've seen 6th formers who could easily pass for early to mid 20s, in fact I have mistaken 6th formers for teachers but, as I treat everyone with respect, it didn't really matter. Having seen the contemptuous way some teachers treat students, I'm inclined to believe it.

@SW-User This incident appears to be from the UK.

@DeWayfarer I believe it was in the UK.