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Columbus? No. Just No.

I remember learning in school that it was the Norse Vikings who first came to America. Thus “discovering” it, discovering a place already civilized. We learned about Christopher Columbus and other explorers. John Cabot, Ponce de León a big one in these parts. But there was no revisionism in the Norse being in North America first.

Who Columbus was is just a matter of historical record. One lie I call out is his credit for discovering North America. For his bringing God, civilization, order, whatever, to the “New World”. One, the indigenous people had civilization here. Shocking, right? And it’s also the Norse Vikings who brought European civilization hundreds of years before Columbus.

Excavations at L'Anse aux Meadows in Newfoundland show pre-Columbian Norse, i.e. European, settlement as early as 1021 AD. We’re not talking some shipwrecked Vikings who were left to die. The L'Anse aux Meadows has remains of eight buildings, sod over wood frame. Evidence of the production of iron, bronze, stone, bone, and wooden artifacts. Hundreds and hundreds excavated at this site.

It’s thought that the Norse Vikings inhabited this site for as long as 100 years. It had the capacity to support over a hundred people, though it’s not clear how many lived there. Archaeologists believe that the site was dedicated to ship repair, which speaks to one of the remarkable things about the Norse discovery of North America as early as 1021 AD. They were traveling back and forth to Iceland all the time. Engaging in economic activity. Bringing timber, walrus ivory, various hunted bits, back to Iceland.

Men and women lived there as evidenced by the discovery of articles generally associated with women. Pins, spindles, bits of looms. Other items indicative of extended settled life like stone oil lamps. Workshops, including an iron smithy and associated slag. It’s also clear that that their departure was controlled and intentional based on what they did NOT leave behind. They took their tools. The pulled up the animal pens and took the animals. There were no dead. They were all sent off as is the tradition.

A lot of people focus on Columbus because, you know. He was famous. Had the backing of Queen Isabella. Lots of ships. Support. Money.

The settlement of the Norse Vikings wasn’t exactly a hit and run. In addition to ship repair at L'Anse aux Meadows, the site acted as a base for reconnaissance of the Gulf of Saint Lawrence and other interior parts. And the settlements and explorations were not exactly without documentation. They are told in the Grœnlendinga saga and Eiríks saga rauða, the Greenland Saga and the Erik the Red Saga.

The sagas tell the story of early Norse founder, Leif Erikson. They describe North America’s true first European founders with indigenous Inuit people. Battles and bartering. Their explorations. Wintering the harsh winters. Making wine from local berries and grapes. And tales of filial devotion, heroism, honor.

One of my favorite stories (from Eiríks saga rauða) is of Leif Erickson’s sister, Freydís Eiríksdóttir, mocking the cowardice of the Norse men as they flee attacking indigenous people. She takes the sword of a fallen Norseman, undoes her clothing, and beats her exposed breast with it— utterly terrifying and driving off their attackers. From what more recent archeological studies show, Norse Viking women were in the shit of it, just like this.

A lot of people focus on Columbus because he brought Christianity to North America.

No. That was the newly converted Norse Vikings. Leif Erikson converted to Christianity, and while his father kept the old ways, his mother, Thjóðhildr, became a Christian, and built the first Christian Church in North America, Thjóðhild's Church. It is in the Norse settlement in far southern Greenland called Brattahlíð, now the settlement of Brattahlíð, now the settlement of Qassiarsuk. The photograph is a reconstruction based in archeological remains.

And people like to focus on Columbus because he brought European government to the Americas.

Well. Actually. The oldest parliament in Europe is the Icelandic Alþingi founded in 930 AD. This was the governance of the Norse Viking founders. How cool is that? It’s not clear exactly where and when, but it seems very early on, in Brattahlíð, a þing, or assembly, based on the Alþingi was held. The first North American parliamentary assembly. Even if it happened late in the Norse presence in North America, any governance in Spanish America was colonial under the crown.

Dream who you like as the discoverer of this place we call home. I know my choice.

Morvoren · F Best Comment
The problem with most of the comments here is they come from comfortable 21st century minds.

In the the 9th century your only right to land was your ability to defend it. And this was true all across the face of the globe. Even the native Americans were at it.

We live in a comfy cozy age now where everyone is apparently very moralistic, or at-least say they are in online discussion. But not capable of really understanding why we are where we are.
SW-User
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow you are very scared of historical facts. Very much so.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow @SW-User

" I am not threatened by an internet troll with an over inflated ego."

... says the far-left troll with the biggest, most inflated ego on SW. 😂 😂 😂


drymer · 56-60, M
There is no question that the Vikings lived in what is now North America hundred of years before Columbus. The point you're missing is that history is not made or changed by whoever gets "first" somewhere, but by whoever makes a difference. The Vikings left such a faint mark of their life in North America that it wasn't until the 20th century that evidence of their stay came up. Like you said, they didn't even left tools. Compare that with the process started by Columbus when he reported on the lands he encountered by sailing west of Europe. It started a wave of colonization (for good or for worse, definitely worse for the natives...). It changed the demography, culture and social structures of a landmass many times bigger than Europe, changing European history in the process... That is why Columbus is in the history books, while Leif Ericson and those Vikings who lived in North America are just a footnote...
He went back home and told everyone what he found. @drymer
@drymer I have a pretty good idea why Columbus figures bigger in history than the Norse. I live in what was once Spanish Florida and visiting old settlements and mission sites is a thing of mine.

I do think "first" matters in discovery. And I also think "how" matters. On that ground, the Norse win the prize for me.

But as I said in the close of the post, it is really a question of how one dreams one's history. History is as much creative as it is factual. The Norse discovery is factual, historical, and also personal for me.
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@CopperCicada why is it personal for you?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
Iceland is actually the oldest, continuous, democracy in the world. They had a regular meeting of all citizens, who all had the right to vote.

As to who discovered America, there are archeological evidences of humans on the soil tens of thousands of years ago, crossing via the Bering Strait.

There are Clovis points that age at 13,500 years ago!
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@CopperCicada okay, so Greenland's democracy was formed AFTER Iceland had already done so.
@samueltyler2 I never said otherwise in my post. From what I have been able to tell in my research, based on what little is known, the þing was more like a folkmoot, and a derivative of the Alþingi.

Which is still think is pretty cool.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@samueltyler2
Iceland is actually the oldest, continuous, democracy in the world. They had a regular meeting of all citizens, who all had the right to vote.

As to who discovered America, there are archeological evidences of humans on the soil tens of thousands of years ago, crossing via the Bering Strait.

There are Clovis points that age at 13,500 years ago!

Actually, no one discovered "America" because America is a created political entity. They might have discovered land that was previously unknown but it was not "America." BTW, there is only one "America," just as there is only one Cuba, Mexico, Brazil, Peru, Bolivia, Argentina, France, England, China, Japan.
I have never understood how a land can be 'discovered and claimed' when it already has 'owners'.

And the shame of it is, those owners used to believe they belonged to the land , not the other way round .😔
I first posed the question in Sr.Rosa’s history class:
"How does one ‘discover’ a land where other people have been living for generations ?"

A friend, of Chumash descent, sent me this meme and I’ll probably post it again next week:
Morvoren · F
@bijouxbroussard No of course not.

My folks were indigenous peoples caught between Saxons and Vikings. Mostly out of a desperation we sided with the Vikings and Irish. We lost.
@bijouxbroussard Well. What Columbus did is left to history.
@CopperCicada True. And what kids were being taught about him when I was small, has very little in common with what is now acknowledged— starting with the fact that he never set foot in North America.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
People are not native to North America .
Europeans arrived by boat , Asians arrived by land bridge .
@AthrillatheHunt That is the silliest statement I have read. By that logic nobody outside of Africa "belongs" anywhere. That is just silly.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow so 10k years makes a people native ?
Why not 1k or 100k ?
Really · 80-89, M
And those Norse were invading an already populated country with its own civilizations.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beothuk
@Really Of course they were. The Norse sagas speak of this as I said in my post.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
Columbus gets the credit for discovering the "New World" because it was his voyage that resulted in other people following him. Even if the Vikings were here first, they did not cause other people to come here. Therefore, in the scheme of things they are irrelevant on this issue and contributed nothing of value.
@Diotrephes Not sure one man creating a global slave trade was anything of value. Curious what people consider is a contribution to society.
Pretzel · 61-69, M
seems like the people that crossed the land bridge from Russia to Alaska and were there to meet the Norseman might have beat them to the punch
Colonialism is what it is.
Most Americans are for it, so they're not interested in history.
calicuz · 56-60, M
It's not so much "discovery," but more about laying claim to something that belongs to someone else. Some of us are aware about the Norseman coming to the Americas long before Columbus, and those Norseman trading with the Native Americans, living among them for a short time and even taking Native American women as wives, but the Norseman went home, they didn't force their religion on the Native Americans nor did they steal their land for the gold mines and other metals.
@SW-User the Norse settlements stopped because of the Black Death.
SW-User
@CopperCicada but the existing settlements?
@SW-User With the Norse settlements in North America-- it wasn't like Jamestown where people landed and had to survive. The Norse were going back and forth to Iceland with regularity. Seasonally, for trade, to take care of family matters, and so on.

This was in part because of the proximity of Iceland to Greenland and Newfoundland. The course was shorter and more direct than that of Columbus. But they were better seamen. They could navigate in cloudy weather using calcite to see the polarization of light through the clouds.

There were a few thousand Norse in America at one point. I think this has to be contextualized by the fact that the Norse, and later the Danes, where literally everywhere. Mediterranean, Caspian Sea, the Baltic, down western European rivers.
I concur with your reasoning and facts, Copper.

The Neolithic and post-neolithic people used copper, and were quite civilized in their own right. Look at the Stonehenge and city of Dwarka (~570 AD) ….the only thing is Columbus is fairly recent and documented in a language/form that is not lost or damaged (yet).
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
The good news is North America was discovered and because of that discovery the free world was born. Columbus had the PR power behind him, but there were many who can claim their rights.
@MarkPaul Figures a colonial apologist like you would praise the Doctrine of Discovery. You are not self aware enough to see the irony of that one.
They don't have any rights. Americans are just nice. @MarkPaul
Slade · 56-60, M
@MarkPaul Incel
Slade · 56-60, M
I ❤️ Columbus!
To my knowledge some people still didn't know about it. I mean he didn't because he thought he was in China or wherever.
Zonuss · 41-45, M
North America was already inhabited by the Indigenous people. Nobody discovered anything.🙂
LordShadowfire · 46-50, M
I know exactly who discovered it first, and it's a damn shame we're living on their property.
@LordShadowfire Well. As I said in the beginning of my post, you can't discover what is already discovered.
SW-User
Pretty sure Asians came to America first via the Bering land bridge

 
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