Should Liberals Support the 2nd Amendment?
Think about it, if those crazy right wing nuts do take over, they might come to appreciate that particular right...! Jus sayin'
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Graylight · 51-55, F
First, the 2nd amendment isn't a black or white issue. One doesn't simply believe in it or not.
Plenty of liberals accept the current wisdom of the court of the 2nd amendment, and some agree wholeheartedly. The sticking points of the ruling are in the methodology and practice. I think you'll find plenty of people who agree that a person has the right to maintain a firearm in the home for defense. Many more [i]don't [/i]believe that same rule should apply to a person with bad intent who can purchase the same firepower as a military platoon. Many of us enjoy firearms and training; we simply don't need to be armed at Starbucks.
So tread lightly should you think us liberals are waiting scared and shaking behind locked doors because everyone else outguns us. You may find out the hard way that's not the case at all.
Plenty of liberals accept the current wisdom of the court of the 2nd amendment, and some agree wholeheartedly. The sticking points of the ruling are in the methodology and practice. I think you'll find plenty of people who agree that a person has the right to maintain a firearm in the home for defense. Many more [i]don't [/i]believe that same rule should apply to a person with bad intent who can purchase the same firepower as a military platoon. Many of us enjoy firearms and training; we simply don't need to be armed at Starbucks.
So tread lightly should you think us liberals are waiting scared and shaking behind locked doors because everyone else outguns us. You may find out the hard way that's not the case at all.
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anythingoes477 · M
@GerOttman Read that last one, didn't you? ;-) ;-) ;-)
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@anythingoes477 honest injun, no. I pick out about three or four words. I already know what you're saying, none of it is particularly innovative. You seem to be enjoying yourself, so I'm happy to keep feeding you straight lines for as long as you enjoy the platform.
SomeMichGuy · M
@anythingoes477 Yes...in W Berlin, mid-1980s, NO one was a Nazi...
CopperCicada · M
The demographics don’t support American liberals being against the 2nd amendment.
About 44% of American republicans/republican leaning report personally owning a gun, and about 20% of democrats/democrat leaning report owning a gun.
So there are 2X as many Republican gun owners as Democrats. That statistic stays about the same if you include family members reporting a gun in the house owned by somebody else. And it is the same if one just looks at just party members and not independents that report leaning one way or the other.
About 44% of American republicans/republican leaning report personally owning a gun, and about 20% of democrats/democrat leaning report owning a gun.
So there are 2X as many Republican gun owners as Democrats. That statistic stays about the same if you include family members reporting a gun in the house owned by somebody else. And it is the same if one just looks at just party members and not independents that report leaning one way or the other.
CopperCicada · M
@GerOttman I don't know. The shit people say online is nothing like anything I hear in real life.
CopperCicada · M
@anythingoes477 Sure. Polls are whacked. The numbers I give are from a Pew Foundation poll. A good chance people over/under report because of what they feel are social/political obligations and expectations.
I'm in the deep south, and it's really not been a thing. Our former Governor Lawton Chiles was an avid hunter. Would campaign wearing his own coon skin hat and jacket. Most people I know have a gun as far as they need it as a tool. Got wild pigs? Hunt venison? Have to do cash drop off's at night? Close your store? Not a political confession. Pragmatism.
I'm in the deep south, and it's really not been a thing. Our former Governor Lawton Chiles was an avid hunter. Would campaign wearing his own coon skin hat and jacket. Most people I know have a gun as far as they need it as a tool. Got wild pigs? Hunt venison? Have to do cash drop off's at night? Close your store? Not a political confession. Pragmatism.
anythingoes477 · M
@CopperCicada I carry 24/7 for money reasons..banking. But I do not feel like I have to hang a Bunt Line Special on my hip so everyone notices how long my barrel is. ;-) Concealed carry means just that...........conceal it and go on with life. It's protection for business reasons...not a status symbol.
BackyardShaman · 61-69, M
Graylight · 51-55, F
@GerOttman Hugely, but that's always the way it's been. Jonestown was the doing of one crazy man and his small contingency. The witch trials of Salem and surrounding towns was simply a crazed society that lost its mind for a few years, not the whole of the new nation, but it's a watermark in our timeline. The fringe has always shouted because they're the ones with the least evidence and authenticity and so as not to be dismissed they stay in the limelight with their antics.
SomeMichGuy · M
@GerOttman ...or yt/the web.
SomeMichGuy · M
All Americans are bound by ALL the Amendments, regardless of their opinions on them.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy I think I'm doing a pretty good job of saying nothing at all. I'm just enjoying the show!
SomeMichGuy · M
@GerOttman
[quote]I think I'm doing a pretty good job of saying nothing at all.[/quote]
Yes. You are correct; all your words amount to nothing, as I had concluded.
[quote]I think I'm doing a pretty good job of saying nothing at all.[/quote]
Yes. You are correct; all your words amount to nothing, as I had concluded.
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@SomeMichGuy ZZZzzzzzzzz........
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
I don't know about liberals but leftists do. Look up the SRA aka Socialist Rifle Association.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow 2,000 members out of a possible 350 million. Hardly a movement.
The SRA was started largely as a joke, but gained traction and evolved into local non-profit chapters.
[i]/"r/SocialistRA - SRA Founder's Recollections". reddit. Archived from the original on 30 March 2020. Retrieved 2019-09-27.[/i]
The SRA is said to mainly be an organization through which those people normally alienated from the mainstream gun culture can exercise their 2nd amendment freedoms. The bulk of the work they do is in relief and volunteer work, as with the latest Hurricane Ian, raising funds and resources. I suppose the NRA would've held a rally had someone been shot there.
Believe it or not, guns aren't the focal point of life for so, so many people. You'll never know which liberals support the 2nd amendment in its entirety because [i]we never scream about it[/i] and shove it down other peoples' throats by openly carrying semi-automatics in Dunkin'.
The SRA was started largely as a joke, but gained traction and evolved into local non-profit chapters.
[i]/"r/SocialistRA - SRA Founder's Recollections". reddit. Archived from the original on 30 March 2020. Retrieved 2019-09-27.[/i]
The SRA is said to mainly be an organization through which those people normally alienated from the mainstream gun culture can exercise their 2nd amendment freedoms. The bulk of the work they do is in relief and volunteer work, as with the latest Hurricane Ian, raising funds and resources. I suppose the NRA would've held a rally had someone been shot there.
Believe it or not, guns aren't the focal point of life for so, so many people. You'll never know which liberals support the 2nd amendment in its entirety because [i]we never scream about it[/i] and shove it down other peoples' throats by openly carrying semi-automatics in Dunkin'.
LordShadowfire · M
We do support the second amendment. In fact, I myself have suggested that we should form a militia in every state, as well as an overarching national militia. These militias, or armed forces if you prefer, would have access to high-powered weaponry, which would be kept securely at a sort of base of operations. This way, the weapons would not fall into the hands of untrained people. As a matter of fact, we could easily divide these armed forces into land, sea, and air. Do you see where I'm going with this?
GerOttman · 61-69, M
@LordShadowfire I do, in fact this was the intent of the country's founders. What we have now however is a centralized military industrial complex which in no way resembles this goal. I will point out also that when needed in some sort of emergency situation it can be impractical to have to run to the local armory to retrieve smaller less powerful weapons, these are more properly stored and maintained individually. I will also point out that I have the greatest admiration for your weak-assed attempt to be clever!! I almost lol'ed...