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Socialism is ace. Like George orwell said, its makes sense

Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Emosaur

Hab' nie einen Deutschkurs genommen, sondern habe ich als Kind Deutsch von meiner Grossmutter gelernt. "Geh zu" ist bayerischer Dialekt (vielleicht altmodisch?), der verwendet ist, wenn jemand Unsinn redet, so wie "go on"auf Englisch.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@BohemianBabe

"Gib einfach zu dass du autoritär bist."

Quatsch. Man kann konservativ sein, ohne autoritaer zu sein.

"...so sehr kann ich wenigstens ihre Ehrlichkeit respektieren."

Merkwuerdich... Ich habe keinen Respekt vor der "Ehrlichkeit" der Nazis.
Vielleicht bist du der Autoritaere...? 🤔
@Thinkerbell
Quatsch. Man kann konservativ sein, ohne autoritaer zu sein.

Stimmt, aber Konservative glauben nicht an die Demokratie. Sie sehen sie als etwas an, mit dem sie umgehen müssen. Die amerikanischen Konservativen haben die Demokratie vollständig abgelehnt, weil sie erkannt haben, dass sie keine Wahlen mehr gewinnen können. Aber weil Konservative so Muschis sind, können sie das nicht öffentlich zugeben.

Merkwuerdich... Ich habe keinen Respekt vor der "Ehrlichkeit" der Nazis.

Das liegt daran, dass es dir nur um Bilder geht. Du bist gegen Nazis und Tankies, obwohl deren Politik der deinen sehr ähnlich ist.

Ich respektiere Ehrlichkeit. Ich lehne alle Formen des Autoritarismus ab. Aber wenn jemand ein ehrliches Argument gegen die Demokratie vorbringt, wie es Nazis oft tun, ok, dann können wir wenigstens eine echte Debatte führen.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@PatKirby you are such a delluded speciman
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Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@PatKirby are you physically incapable of saying anything of substance?
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Thinkerbell the "western world" isnt built on any sense of moral. Its built on power and profits. It also has a history of blatant racism and sexism
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Guitarman123

That may be true, but the West in general is at least a century ahead of China and Russia in overcoming that history.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Thinkerbell i wish that was true but the west has a long way still to go. People Crying about preserving western traditions doesn't help
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
It’s utter bullshit and you know it.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@jackjjackson yet you're still here
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Nothing is more satisfying than lampooning a douchebag on her own thread 😂 @Guitarman123
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@jackjjackson if you say so
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Yep, sure does...

Slade · 56-60, M
@Guitarman123 yes shocking when totalitarians clash
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
@Slade

Mussolini was indeed once far left, but when he founded the Fascisti, he dropped all ideas of communal ownership of the means of production. Fascist Italy never abolished private corporations.

The transition from far left to far right is not difficult, particularly at lower levels. Lots of former Red Front bully boys in Germany joined the Storm Troopers when the Nazis took over. They just liked to brawl, so whose heads they were breaking didn't make much difference to them, nor did ideology.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Slade gramsci was a Marxist and vocal supporter of italian workers. He came up with the idea of cultural hegemony which he believed was how the capitalist class was able to maintain power over society
Entwistle · 56-60, M
It always amazes me that people think Animal Farm is about socialism.
It's story is more recognisable in capitalism.
MethDozer · M
@Entwistle I didn't say it was anti-socialist either. That's not what you said originally.


You said it is about capitalism and not socialism. When he said it is about a failed socialist revolution. Which he said it was.
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@MethDozer You appear to have trouble comprehending what i said.
I said 'its more recognizable within Capitalism'...some folk having more than others that is.
MethDozer · M
@Entwistle Okie dokie. 🤦
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@PatKirby we both know you make nothing and that you have no substance
PatKirby · M
@Guitarman123

Such envy will earn you nothing except regret and disappointment. But I'm sure you're familiar with that.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@PatKirby envy of what? A stupid little mouse of a man whos desperate for attention?
trollslayer · 46-50, M
There are certain areas of a purely capitalist system that are self-destructive, inhumane, or wildly inefficient. Notice how during times of war most countries adopt socialist economic policies in order to make sure their armed forces are properly supplied. Also notice how many socialist policies in otherwise capitalist economies are designed to target areas in which capitalism fails - energy, health care/public health, transportation...

Socialized health care seems like a no brainer to me. So much of the US economy goes to health care - money and energy that could be better spent elsewhere.
An honest question- what do you think of the late Kim Philby? Traitor or hero?

For me he was a true British traitor.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic someone who stood by his values and saw the so called british empire for what is
@Guitarman123 Thanks for your very honest answer.
socialist want everything i got but my job...
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout capitalists see workers as mere cogs. Socialists support workers rights
Entwistle · 56-60, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Utter nonsense.
milkymum1 · 36-40, F
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout Socialism isn't the same as Communism
SW-User
Forget about George Orwell, you should write a book...you are full of such wisdom
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@SW-User im the smartest idiot EVER
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
Communism is the same as the "free market".. A damned good idea on paper, until you let people get their hands on it...😷
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom Bingo.. Trade is the key here. Israel took a resource poor lump of desert and tilled and watered it till it produced Citrus, then traded those and kept working and plowing back the profits..For that they needed efficiencies that communist centralised economies infamously lack..😷
@whowasthatmaskedman The kibbutzim that were established in Israel after its independence were closer to communist than any nominally communist country. Some of them even forbade personal possessions. Israel's success was due in part to them. However, they weren't isolated, so they wouldn't qualify as pure communist.
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@LeopoldBloom We could debate just how much isolation was really required for a Communist set up. But I think we care close enough for agreement. The interesting part is that with total effort and no corruption caused waste, the model was internationally competitive with primary produce..😷
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic churchill praised mussolini and called him a great roman leader
@Guitarman123 Opinions change- I'm sure he didn't later.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic churchill would have approved of hitler had he not invaded poland. Both nationalists and both despised socialist
Bumbles · 51-55, M
No thanks.
Bumbles · 51-55, M
@Guitarman123 No offense, but you kind of just spout socialist platitudes about everything.
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Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@Bumbles dont know what that means
HumanEarth · F
Can't we just live in world without government

Government causes all of mankinds problems
HumanEarth · F
Years ago I got in trouble for living like a wild man with no government.

I burned all my identification, proof of who I was and went and lived in the wild mountains for a couple of years.

I was actually happy with my life. No government, no authority to rule my life.

Just me living off the land.

They caught me, accused me of crimes, charged my trespassing and bunch more shit

My uncle was a great lawyer at the time (he passed away) got 99% of the charges dismissed if I agree to live with permanent address

I never felt free or truly happy ever since

Government stole my freedom
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HumanEarth · F
@Emosaur I don't want government to exist at all.

I am forced to live like a slave to a government I don't want. Forced to pay taxes, forced to live where I don't want to live.

Forced forced and forced or be jailed for no complying

How is that freedom
whowasthatmaskedman · 70-79, M
@2cool4school But some animals are more equal than others..😷
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@2cool4school great book
It's a human right, like democracy and freedom of movement, and it's a government responsibility.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic orwell was a democratic socialist
@Guitarman123 Key words- DEMOCRATIC. The people can opt out at anytime.
Guitarman123 · 31-35, M
@BritishFailedAesthetic he was very supportive of workers rights. Fought in the spanish civil war alongside communists and anarchists

 
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