Socialism is ace. Like George orwell said, its makes sense

@Emosaur I beg to differ. Kibbutz living in Israels formative years was based on that model, even if the name was changed..😷

@Emosaur Its a matter of scale only. But I agree that true communism really needs the whole community behind it and the whole community vigilant. Something that isnt really possible in anything much larger than a Kibbutz with humans involved, since we are by nature selfish.😷

@Emosaur That would be impossible to achieve. I also fail to see why a communist enclave wouldn’t count. At what point would we reach full communism? What if a capitalist enclave exists? Does the worldwide communist society become invalid if it trades with the capitalists?

@LeopoldBloom Bingo.. Trade is the key here. Israel took a resource poor lump of desert and tilled and watered it till it produced Citrus, then traded those and kept working and plowing back the profits..For that they needed efficiencies that communist centralised economies infamously lack..😷

@whowasthatmaskedman The kibbutzim that were established in Israel after its independence were closer to communist than any nominally communist country. Some of them even forbade personal possessions. Israel's success was due in part to them. However, they weren't isolated, so they wouldn't qualify as pure communist.

@LeopoldBloom We could debate just how much isolation was really required for a Communist set up. But I think we care close enough for agreement. The interesting part is that with total effort and no corruption caused waste, the model was internationally competitive with primary produce..😷