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The Problem Is the Guns. The Guns. The Guns. The Guns.

It's not school security or mental illness or anything else—it’s just all the guns.

Write your Congressional Reps, federal and state. Demand serious gun control laws now! Demand the reinstalment of the Federal Assault Weapons Ban.

Here are some gun control advocacy groups to join and donate to:

Everytown for Gun Safety:
https://www.everytown.org/about-everytown/

The Brady Campaign:
https://www.bradyunited.org/

The Coalition to Stop Gun Violence:
https://www.csgv.org/

Giffords PAC:
https://giffords.org/
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
My father gave me my first gun at 9 years old. A single shot .410. He taught me gun safety and what the effect was of pulling the trigger. I have owned many firearms in my life. It’s the damnedest thing, not one of them has ever fired a round without me pulling the trigger
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@chockaholic2020 wow! You mean it takes an actual person to not only pull the trigger but to put a magazine in the weapon too? Next thing you’re gonna tell me is your magazines won’t load themselves either.
JesseInTX · 51-55, M
@badminton Sandy Hook was purchased legally by his mother and illegal for him to posses. Now what I said is not a gun lobby piece of disinformation. It’s documented fact. Look at the laws already on the books across States and cities. It is damn near impossible to legally purchase/posses a gun in Chicago, NYC, DC, etc. But look at the gun crimes of armed robbery, aggravated assault and murder that is happening there and other places. Look at the rap sheets of those accused, arrested and convicted. Felon after felon. Meaning they can’t legally purchase or posses a firearm by State and Federal law.
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Johnson212 · 61-69, M
Thank you but I will donate to the NRA instead. Ask yourself how many students have been killed behind a locked classroom door.
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CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@LordShadowfire He never will.
Johnson212 · 61-69, M
@CorvusBlackthorne I never said that was the solution. Bit since you mention it o e more gun in the right hands would have done it.
DCarey · 46-50, M
London has a higher murder rate than NYC. It must be the g...... oh, wait.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@DCarey I'm aware of that. I suspect that the reason for the laws in question is mostly to reduce the injury rate in alcohol inflamed brawls. Such laws predate current crime statistics by many decades.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@DCarey Time for bed this side of the pond.
DCarey · 46-50, M
@ninalanyon Good night. Sleep well. :)
TexChik · F
You are ridiculous and have no clue how the constitution works , or amending it . The 2A is here to stay. The problem is knee jerk liberals set on destroying the constitution and our freedoms . The politicians on the left do not want this issue resolved, they want the tragedies .
Notsimilar · 31-35, F
Actually it's mental illness.
badminton · 61-69, MVIP
Easygoing1234 · 46-50, M
@Notsimilar welcome
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1490wayb · 56-60, M
next pneumatic nail guns, baseball bats, knives, lawn darts, boxing gloves, pocketbook. only thing left is streetfighter nancy's heels!!
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@sunsporter1649 Are there not enough of them in the news of late for you to understand? Perhaps this website will help:

https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

I would venture to state that every person who committed a mass shooting as outlined on that list was insane.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@CorvusBlackthorne By your definition everyone is insane and should be incarcerated, right?
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badminton · 61-69, MVIP
A gun nut delusional fantasy. Imagine a bunch of beer bellies going up against the U.S. military. That would be a very short encounter. What is left of the beer bellies could be mopped up with a sponge.

Average gun nut,

redredred · M
@badminton Despite the obvious photoshopping, I’ve been frequenting ranges for decades and never seen anyone like that.
Freeranger · M
@redredred straight up bud....good reply
BeachGirl47 · 26-30, F
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Which one is more deadlier?
Freeranger · M
@CorvusBlackthorne Dude....you're an uninformed putz bent on name building. I get it.
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@Freeranger I just proved that I know more about illegally manufactured firearms than you, as well as knowing more about terminology. At this stage, you are only fooling yourself.
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@Freeranger That school sounds remarkably like a prison, or at best a fortress under siege. No way to live unless there is absolutely no alternative.
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
While we are at it defund police, free all prison inmates, no bail needed for perps to walk, and ignore criminal activity with less that $1,000 property damage or theft!
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
Will someone please inform @sunsporter1649's carers that he has missed his medication again?
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
But they have mental illness and schools in other countries. Yet no mass shootings…
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Quetzalcoatlus "The attack on a church near Rouen in northern France comes just 12 days after a lorry attack on people celebrating Bastille Day in Nice.

They are the latest in a series of deadly attacks in France that have been getting more frequent in recent years.

Previous attacks have included the killing of soldiers and schoolchildren by a lone gunman in the Toulouse region, shootings at the Charlie Hebdo offices in Paris, and a coordinated assault by gunmen and suicide bombers on a concert hall, a major stadium, restaurants and bars in Paris."

Keep watching pmsnbc, you will learn nothing
Quetzalcoatlus · 46-50, M
@sunsporter1649 Nice one! Now do Switzerland!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@Quetzalcoatlus You requested a brief discussion of gun control laws, gun ownership rates, and gun violence in Switzerland. Please note that this memo is based on the French version of the laws (enclosed); the laws are not available in English.

SUMMARY

Swiss federal gun laws entitle citizens to acquire, own, and carry most types of weapons. But, they bar certain types of weapons and require a person to obtain a permit to acquire a gun from a dealer, although not from a private party. A gun owner must have a permit to carry a gun in public for purposes other than hunting or military training. He must demonstrate a need for this permit, which can include self-defense. The law also regulates the manufacture, commercial sale, import, export, and transportation of weapons. Violators are subject to fines and imprisonment. Several cantons (states) have additional provisions that are not discussed in this memo because their laws are not readily accessible.

The gun ownership rate in Switzerland, which requires most adult men to store military weapons in their homes, is substantially higher than other European countries but substantially lower than that of the United States. In spite of the prevalence of guns, gun violence is uncommon in Switzerland relative to most European countries and the United States.

SWISS GUN LAWS

In 1993, Swiss voters accepted a constitutional amendment that authorized parliament to pass a "gun-abuse" law. The law was adopted in 1997 and went in effect in 1998. It preserves the right of citizens to acquire, own, and carry guns, including Swiss military-issue arms. But it bars certain categories of arms such as fully automatic guns, dangerous weapons such as stun guns, and accessories such as silencers and night vision scopes.

The law requires a permit to acquire a gun from a dealer and bars sales to minors, repeat criminal offenders, and people determined by the courts to be violent or dangerous. A permit is not needed to acquire a weapon normally used in conjunction with governmentally recognized hunting or shooting organizations. Private sales do not require a permit, but the seller cannot transfer weapons to a person barred from owning a weapon. The seller must check the buyer's identification card to determine that he is at least 18 years old. A record must be made of both commercial and private transactions and retained by both parties for 10 years.

The right to carry a gun for other than hunting or military training purposes requires proof of legitimate need, which can include self protection and the protection of property. The applicant must also demonstrate that he is proficient in the use of the weapon and understands the gun law. The permit is valid for up to five years. Weapons, munitions, and accessories must be stored safely in a place that is inaccessible to unauthorized people. The loss of a weapon must be immediately reported to the police. Weapons can be transported freely, so long as they are kept separate from munitions.

The law also governs the manufacture, importation, and exportation of weapons, and imposes record-keeping requirements on gun dealers. Violators are subject to fines and imprisonment. In the case of intentional violations of laws governing transfers, importation, and exportation the minimum penalties are five years in prison and a fine of 100,000 Swiss francs (approximately $69,000).

GUN OWNERSHIP RATES

Switzerland, a country of seven million inhabitants, has approximately two million guns, including 600,000 assault rifles. The ownership rate is substantially higher than other European countries, but is substantially lower than the U.S. rate. While there is no authoritative count, most estimates for the number of firearms in this country (population approximately 270 million) fall in the 200 to 250 million range.

Swiss law requires most men to serve in the army and to keep weapons. All Swiss men, other than those with medical exemptions, serve in the army between the ages of 20 and 42 (52 for senior officers). Women can join the army as volunteers. Members of the army keep their guns—fully automatic assault rifles or pistols -- and a small supply of ammunition at home. According to the Swiss Constitution, upon completion of military service, the gun becomes the property of the soldier. Assault rifles are then transformed into semiautomatic weapons.

GUN VIOLENCE

According to the Swiss Embassy, the use of firearms in crimes in Switzerland is relatively rare. In 1995, 65 guns were used in attempted or successful homicides, 73 to inflict bodily harm and another 366 in armed robberies. The embassy's Website (http://www.swissembassy.org) discusses the relationship between the country's gun ownership rate and the criminal use of laws. It also has a dated discussion of the country's gun laws and a link to them. The on-line version of the law is available in French, German, and Italian, but not English.

According to research conducted in 1989 by David Kopel, who has conducted several studies of the effectiveness of gun law, the firearms homicide rate in Switzerland was somewhat higher than that of the Netherlands, England, and Wales all of which have lower gun ownership levels and more stringent gun control laws. On the other hand, the homicide rate in Switzerland was somewhat lower than that in Belgium, France, and Germany, which also have more stringent gun control laws.
Slade · 56-60, M
Man if a squad of cops is afraid to confront one AR-15 imagine how much fun it will be to forcibly confiscate 20 million of them
hunkalove · 61-69, M
Politicians don't care about people.
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MarineBob · 56-60, M
Giffords have a rather large connection of firearms. Mark kelly tried buying an ar for other than personal use.
MarineBob · 56-60, M
Great speech obama gave on it.......please remember george floyd
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@MarineBob Yup, such a sweet boy
Changeisgonnacome · 61-69, F
It's starting to make me laugh how often I say it. And how it can not matter.
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SW-User
@Ferise1 awww, I thought you people were Free Speech Absolutists?
Not so much, eh?

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CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@Ferise1
you should be banned from talking to people
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badminton · 61-69, MVIP
@Ferise1 Oh darn, you found us out. Actually, we are in league with the Reptilian aliens. We want to disarm you, then make Hillary Clinton your evil Empress, then force you to gay-marry Mexican illegal immigrants. It's all part of our sinister plan to sap the will of decent right-thinking Americans.

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redredred · M
@CorvusBlackthorne you call it a false equivalency because you cannot refute the logic. Manufacturing purpose is irrelevant.

BTW, the primary purpose and documented use of guns is defensive rather than offensive,
CorvusBlackthorne · 100+, M
@redredred
you call it a false equivalency because you cannot refute the logic.
No, sir. I call it a false equivalency because it is.
Manufacturing purpose is irrelevant.
Wrong. Gasoline is manufactured as a fuel for vehicles. Guns are manufactured for the purpose of killing.
BTW, the primary purpose and documented use of guns is defensive rather than offensive,
Defense by killing attackers.
redredred · M
@CorvusBlackthorne a quick look at the Molotov cocktails in use in Ukraine right now shows gasoline has a killing purpose as well.

That’s irrelevant as the purpose of an object has nothing to do with the psychology of the killers. If this was due to stabbings would you blame kitchenware?
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MarineBob · 56-60, M
@Jill1990 how about a minimum 90 day suspension of any student bullying another student
BeachGirl47 · 26-30, F
@Jill1990 it was a semi automatic gun
Slade · 56-60, M
@Jill1990 bullshulit. There are NO automatic weapons on the street

 
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