Thoughts on Gun control?

@AlmostAnAngel I agree

@Daveliam7 🍿

Thank you. Everybody else get your own popcorn@AlmostAnAngel

@Doomflower all I know, my feelings and opinion, I have one gun. A beretta.380, had it since 1988, and I don't need another. I know how to use it, as do my wife and adult sons, they know that it's loaded, and have never been curious about it. It there, if I ever need it, God forbid. I don't have a carry permit, like almost Everyone else in Montana does, I'd like to get one, but it's low on my to-do list. My family does not live in fear and we will never become victims.
But I digress...😏

@Montanaman if you say so.

I'm sure it's absolutely impossible for one of your sons, your wife, or yourself to become suicidal due to mental illness or extreme trauma.

I remember knowing a guy who had a family like yours. He hid his mental illness from everyone and then blew his brains out in the bathtub seemingly out of the blue. His mom found him.

@Doomflower God, that's terrible and very tragic. I'm especially sensitive to issues of suicide. My daughter tried it at 14. Bottle of pills. My gun could have been the chosen tool of her intending demise, but thank God it wasn't.
She's now a college professor teaching Sociology at SUNY.
Again thanks for your important input. I value your facts and feelings.👍

@Jackaloftheazuresand Could you direct me to information regarding Popper's full thoughts? The reading I had done on subject made that graphic, while certainly not the full thought, still on point for Popper's message.

If am I wrong, it only then goes again to my point that graphics with small amounts of text are never the full story.

@Pherick "Unlimited tolerance must lead to the disappearance of tolerance. If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. In this formulation, I do not imply, for instance, that we should always suppress the utterance of intolerant philosophies; as long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion, suppression would certainly be most unwise. But we should claim the right to suppress them if necessary even by force; for it may easily turn out that they are not prepared to meet us on the level of rational argument, but begin by denouncing all argument; they may forbid their followers to listen to rational argument, because it is deceptive, and teach them to answer arguments by the use of their fists or pistols. We should therefore claim, in the name of tolerance, the right not to tolerate the intolerant. We should claim that any movement preaching intolerance places itself outside the law, and we should consider incitement to intolerance and persecution as criminal, in the same way as we should consider incitement to murder, or to kidnapping, or to the revival of the slave trade, as criminal."

As long as we can counter them by rational argument and keep them in check by public opinion. His teachings go against Jesus and the other cheek message but they do not suggest attacking someone or silencing them just because they are hateful, more like meeting them where they stand.

Yes, so going by that I don't want to see it from you in the future. Like I said, maybe you never posted it in the first place but if you have this will be the wake up call.

@curiosi Really? If that were true, wouldn't the government be pushing for more gun control? When was the last time a federal gun control law passed?

@bijouxbroussard That is fairly insulting, I may be pro-Bill of Rights, but I never implied or said that I was okay with any shooting. I am open to identifying mentally ill with due process and while we may disagree, there are things that can afford protection that prevents or minimizes what the evil can do.

There are many differences between other countries and the USA, some are positive and some are negative.... The first step is to remove suicides from the stats and look at what is causing violence. Some of it could be solvable and some may end up being the price of freedom.. I don't know but these shootings are not stats, they are people (both victims and shooters) and we need to be looking at ways to prevent and avoid.

@sunrisehawk Even when we identify immediate causes like mental illness we don’t seem willing to do anything, though. Proposed legislation that might keep weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill, or even out of the hands of people on post 9/11 “terrorist watchlists”, fail to pass. And I truly understand that the “stats” are people, I’ve known a few victims of gun violence in my lifetime.

@bijouxbroussard Actually that we is our legislators. But when you look at the proposed legislation, anything that seems reasonable and focused is ignored. One party pushes to take/restrict guns to law abiding citizens and the other opposes that effort... Likely you and I could sit down and find some common ground, but I'll agree that that isn't happening in Congress or State Legislatures.

@GeistInTheMachine Nooooo!😮 Need more bullets. But then again, I'm Montana. 😎

People will find out how to make bullets but i like the idea😂

@Overwatch6 Amen !

@Overwatch6 I hear that in Canada they have little to no gun control laws yet they have almost no gun violence in comparison to the U.S..

@SatyrService We are the most medicated, those meds are poison to the brain. SSRI's have black box warnings stating they cause violent behavior.

@Montanaman I agree

@Montanaman Exactly .. gotta deal with the underlying mental health issues .. guns aren't the only way to kill

@Daveliam7 why is it messed up for a woman to own a gun and practice gun safety?

Probably the slaughtering part is the messed up part

@Misael909 tragic for a good innocent family to become victims in a killing spree

I have a license to carry mine I also have training most people with drivers licenses do not obey the rules and laws of the roads and if you call giving free narcolone so the can OD again that’s the only thing I see being done and at my tax dollars expense @bijouxbroussard

@Lefty63 Most people don’t obey the traffic laws ? Most states don’t require a license to buy a gun, just a background check. And at some gun shows they don’t always do that.

@bijouxbroussard I have no problem having to have a gun owner's license or to take and pass a gun safety course to own a gun. It is required to hunt in most states and I would actually prefer that it be the case for gun ownership for general education and safety purposes. I would also like to see controls on individual-individual sales.

That last one and closing the gaps re gun shows will slow expansion of illegal gun possessions, but reality is there are too many out there and those people will not follow any laws we enact. There are too many with mental illness whose rights are put ahead of the safety of society that are getting through the existing background checks and given legal right to buys guns.

@SW-User let freedom *BLAM*

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout It's all a just a big joke 🙄 Money and politics, while we squabble like children.

@Lefty63 I can buy the parts though. Assembly is simple.

@Misael909 The transition would be brutal, at best. While the law abiding citizens comply, the rest take advantage. Sure, maybe eventually it would balance out, but it will take a hell of a lot of time.
People can try to compare it to how other countries took weapons and it worked, but we are rather uniquely fucked up and violent in general.

@MarineBob I like rubber bullets though.
Besides, making the police more lethal will make people more afraid of them. The more afraid they are, the more cops will die.

@Tminus6453 We're just becoming worse parents...

@Daveliam7 *in my best Stannis Baratheon voice*

Fewer

@ChatterinSeuss some people can control it they’re just irresponsible or psychos in certain situations

@Misael909 then you shouldn't have a gun. If you know you get crazy, then you are a moron for carrying a gun

@Shutter lets close the bars and there wont be anymore dwis

@MarineBob You're not listening. I didn't say we should get rid of guns.

@MarineBob Hey Bob... You may have a point. Let's put the same regulations on gun owners that we put on bar owners. If one of their customers gets drunk and kills someone, the bar owner is liable. How about if a gun owner's gun is used in the commission of a crime, the gun owner is liable regardless of who pulls the trigger?

@Misael909 u 😈

@Misael909 well I asked a question months ago asking if the NRA is out of touch. It got a lot of responses

@Sharky86 yeah too much violence in this country sadly