Defanged Fascism?

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow
It wasn't quite like that. I'm literally reading a book about the economy of the Third Reich now. Obviously, it was an authoritarian society but they had a tacit alliance the German Ruling Class - and needed it. The NAZIs locked up the socialists and suppressed wages. Their protectionist bureaucracy helped most German firms because their currency was uncompetitive.

German businesses didn't agree with the NAZIs on everything and there were some mutual trade-offs. My point is that it wasn't really corporatist. There wasn't cooperation between the classes and it wasn't even really a centrally planned economy until the war broke out. Some people see it as such by comparing its economy to either New Deal America or the USSR. I am talking about the 'Hitler was a socialist' morons but also the conventional 'horse-shoe' theorist and people who don't distinguish between different types of state intervention.

Really it was more like an authoritarian state protecting and preserving the interests of German capital. Obviously, WW2 later destroyed a lot of German capital that is not my point.

@Burnley123 I agree to a point. And I am going off what I have read but apparently as the war started to turn that alliance with the business elite turned into something closer to a hostage situation. Because no sensible businessman wants their enterprise in ruins over a lost cause.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Oh, that much is true. I was talking about the Regine before the war. They had a centrally planned war economy during the conflict, with businesses having less power. Interestingly a lot of NAZIs and collaborators had successful business and political careers after the far. The relationship between the party and the German ruling class always was somewhat fluid.

@MalteseFalconPunch You are older than me. Just look at US history in our lifetime, friend. It's complete degeneration.

@MalteseFalconPunch To me it all looks kinda like the Weimar Republic in the US.

@Graylight Tone policing is a waste of time. I said what I said. Deal with the context please if you are choosing to engage with it. Or don't.

There is no such utopia. I never used that word. You just did, and that is a red herring, as it is not even the point I am makIng.

I made it clear what kind of system would prefer to see in the mean time. The only constant is change. It isn't as though man thinks up some ideology and then people are locked in.

It's not utopia or bust. How assenine you are making this sound.

The inability for most Americans to discuss politics in a constructive manner as citizenry in the classical sense shows the sorry state of the American people and their bleeding fractured nation.

@GeistInTheMachine You know, I remember being as omniscient as you. Those were the days when I didn't know yet what I didn't know. Enjoy your bliss while it lasts.

@SunshineGirl Good point.

@Penny Sounds good to me.

@Penny the only problem is in making sure the successive dictators remain benevolent

@ViciDraco well, they say power corrupts so maybe the problem is ever having one in the first place lol

@CountScrofula Looks like it's a duck.

@GeistInTheMachine "Quack!"

@Roundandroundwego I think he was more the typical US conservatard republicunt crook. They are just like that. No real values.

@GeistInTheMachine I meant that time period, the end of labor law enforcement and consequently the end of wage growth keeping pace with profits or efficiency.

@Roundandroundwego Oh yes, he fucked us all hard. Still paying for Reagans shit today. The shitheads set the stage for what we have today. But tell that to Americans. They keep electing thr duopoly without question.

Can't question it. God forbid we listen to Washington about tyranny of political parties, especially of a certain two red and blue...