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You are paid what you are worth, (most of the time.)

Let me count the ways:
1. You are NOT entitled to a job. You have to EARN the job. That means a job has to be open, you have to have the skills to perform that job and you have to be the best candidate for that job.
2. You are NOT entitled to that bullshit "living wage" which only exists in unicorn dwelling unemployed diploma mill grads. You live on what you make. If you want more, you have to work harder and smarter for more.
3. You are NOT entitled to make money based on how hard you work. You could slave in the sun, day after day, making mud pies. You wouldn't be worth a cent. PERIOD.
4. Your pay is based on you reaching a VOLUNTARY agreement with an employer. He wants you to work for free, or a dollar a day. You want to work for $100 a minute, with six months vacation and five Rolls Royces for a car allowance. Your pay is where you and the employer meet somewhere in the middle.
5. The best example of this in the real world is a hospital. A heart surgeon makes more money than the janitor. That's because the heart surgeon's skill is more valuable than that of a janitor.
6. The ONLY time you are paid more than you are worth is a situation created by minimum wage. (Or if you are on WELFARE.) If you are a total bozo, the state has mandated that you not be paid what you are worth, if it is a penny an hour, but rather a minimum amount. Of course, those who are REALLY stupid and incompetent are never hired if their skills are worth less than the minimum wage.
Richard65 · M
Nobody is saying a janitor should earn the same pay as a heart surgeon. Just that a janitor should at least earn enough to live on without hardship. Your entire post is just a ludicrous sweeping generalisation.
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@Neman1622 Better vote for Biden to stop them.
PleasurePunch · 100+
@Richard65 Sentiments like this show lots of resentment. But he knows everything. Must be he's still hiding something, like why he's MAD AT HIS OWN FATE.

and now we don't care.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
Well done for placing a value on human life and dignity. Presumably those who do not make enough to support themselves can morally be left to starve/freeze to death?

The heart surgeon's skills may be rarer than those of the janitor, but the former could not perform his job without the services of the latter. This is why a civilised society uplifts its weakest members.
No, but we should all work together. @Reason10
I always thought actors got paid so much is because the money is there because they are pooling it from the whole country not just one business. @Reason10
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@Spoiledbrat @Spoiledbrat
[quote]No, but we should all work together. @Reason10[/quote]


People "working together" politically gave us the worldwide slave trade, communism, Nazism, the Holocaust, The World Wars and the Korean and Vietnam wars.

I get nervous every time someone says we "should" all do anything.

If you want to "do" something, elected Reagan and Trump like leaders, who take the handcuffs off the economy and it benefits EVERYONE.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
Nobody is going to convince me that a factory labourer produces less worth than a hedge fund manager

Sure, there are elements of meritocracy but it's filtered through layers of cultural bias, political economy, hereditary advantage and luck.
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl Liberal goose steppers assume that all wealth is stolen and that they are entitled to it.
Wealth is created. The ACHIEVERS create it by working harder and smarter.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@Reason10 liberal goose steppers?

Lolz you are funny.
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MasterLee · 56-60, M
Why don't they raise minimum wage to $100 per hour? We all want that.

So what if a fast food burger costs $250 and heart surgery goes to $5 million.
Either we are a socialist democracy and people are taken care of or not. Nobody thinks American people are a democracy or a society. They're the economic engine of killers and rapers of our ecosystem. Nobody thinks we can escape the ownership.
@Reason10 my bad. Nobody established any rights to vote, there. Or anywhere else. No rights, no reason to avoid killing the enemy whenever we can.
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@Roundandroundwego

[quote]my bad. Nobody established any rights to vote, there. Or anywhere else. No rights, no reason to avoid killing the enemy whenever we can.[/quote]

I don't know why they named the first ten Amendments the Bill Of Rights. Over a century, liberals have come to consider that to mean the BILL OF ENTITLEMENTS.

The first Ten Amendments are much more important than rights. They are limitations on the power of Government. You have have all the rights you want, but the wrong government (such as the Democrat Party for the past 150 years) make those rights irrelevant.

Speaking of killing the enemy, you might want to look to the Democrat party, who has involved this country in the BLOODIEST wars of all time, (starting with the Civil War.) Every major war, from the Civil War up to the Vietnam war has been started by Democrats.

And they took hundreds of thousands of times more lives than the War On Terror.
@Reason10 with people like you we can never establish rights.
paulio · M
you can earn more money in rich areas where there are less workers to do menial jobs, so gardeners ,cleaners carers can charge double the rate of somewhere else,supply and demand
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl [quote]But your money will go less far because of inflated rents/property prices, or because you will have to commute a long distance because you can't afford to live where you work. Not an efficient economic situation.[/quote]'

Once again, a lowly Florida substitute teacher has to educate you on the simplest of Economics.

1. There is no such thing as inflated rents or property taxes. In real estate (and I know this because I got a Florida real estate license, and discovered a few years later I didn't like sales as a career) the concept is called SITUS. That means location is everything.

Probably in your back woods part of the country, a mobile home could cost around $50,000 for a two bedroom, one bath. Model. And you probably would be paying maybe $100 a month in lot rent.

That same mobile home in Key West Florida, land included would be well over a MILLION DOLLARS. It's about LOCATION. And there's nothing inflated about LOCATION. If more people want to live in a LOCATION, then the land will cost more and that makes the property cost more. East of Ft. Myers, FL is a lower working class neighborhood called Lehigh Acres. A lot of people live there because it's cheap. Contrast that with the homes on the Gulf of Mexico, in Sanibel, Captiva, or Naples on the water.

2. As far as commuting, New Yorkers have been doing that for generations. Long Island (which now is REALLY expensive to live in) used to be the affordable suburbs for people who couldn't afford a one room MILLION DOLLAR CONDO in Manhattan, but still had a job in the city.

Just a guess, but maybe you've never actually had a real job in your life and have no idea what the real world is about. You're starting to sound more and more like an ignorant teenage who is bored with real school work and frequents places like this for adult conversation.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Reason10 Why is one location more expensive than another? Because the supply of housing in a sought after area is exceeded by demand. So prices in the unrestricted market start to increase . . this is a textbook example of inflation in practice.

As for not having a real job, I readily hold my hands up, lol. I am an investment analyst working for a pension fund (with a particular interest in real estate and affordable housing) . . I am frequently mistaken for a schoolgirl though on account of my shortness 😂
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basilfawlty89 · 31-35, M
[quote]You are NOT entitled to a job. You have to EARN the job. That means a job has to be open, you have to have the skills to perform that job and you have to be the best candidate for that job.[/quote]

...and that's why undocumented immigrants don't steal jobs. You can't steal a job from someone if they were never hired in the first place. Thanks for playing.
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@MethDozer @MethDozer [quote]@Reason10 95% of these people who hire them ARE Republicans. So doubt it will ever happen. Lip service is all it is.


Besides aren't you a Libertarian?[/quote]

We'll wait patiently while you attempt to produce some sort of PROOF that those animals are hired mostly by Republicans. Of course, you have to research how many of those employers were busted by federal officers and maybe find out what political party they are members of. I could save you the time because Republicans follow the law. DemoNazis do not.

Second question: I have elements of conservative Republicanism (the rule of law, strong borders) but I also have the economic free market philosophies of libertarians. I part company with libertarians who would open the borders and legalize crack cocaine, but other than that I'm pretty much a free marketer.

I don't vote Libertarian because (a) the LP will never become a national party, which means it'll never be able to take over Congress and (b) the libertarians lost me when brilliant minds like Ron Paul and Andre Marrou were replaced by hard left Republicans like Gary Johnson. Today's LP is a joke.
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I'm not against minimum wage because some don't pay a fair wage. I'm okay with guidelines. I agree with number 2.
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Thanks, boomer boss 🤭
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
SlaveEt · 36-40, F
Neman1622 · 41-45, M
I'm not discounting your post, just though it funny that your SN is reason 10, but you gave 6 🤣😆
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@Neman1622
Neman1622 · 41-45, M
[quote]I'm not discounting your post, just though it funny that your SN is reason 10, but you gave 6 🤣😆
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The screen name Reason10 was created in the mid90s. (Gee! That probably makes me old enough to be everyone's grandfather here.) I originally wanted to be called Reason (named after the free market Reason Foundation). There were 9 other Reasons. The 10 was just a matter of what's next.
Elessar · 26-30, M
The right: I don't get why nobody votes for us anymore, it must be election fraud

Also the right:
MasterLee · 56-60, M
Still scratching my head over a heart surgeon cannot exist without a janitor.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
Can't argue with this kind of logic.

That's why America is failing.
PleasurePunch · 100+
someone's mad at his own fate.
MethDozer · M
[quote]. He wants you to work for free, or a dollar a day. [/quote]

At least you admit that what employers really want is to be able to own slaves again
badlands · 22-25, F
@MethDozer Why do I need to "drive a point"? What are you trying to prove?
MethDozer · M
@badlands I mean if you just want to make a vacuous or at best convoluted and indecipherable statement and leave it at that you're entitled. Though I was under the impression you were actually trying to say something with a point to be made
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MethDozer · M
"You're boss is doing you a favor. Your job is a privilege"
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@MethDozer [quote]good, that's the only way it works. Collective workers is awesome
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Not all the time. In heavily unionized states, the cost of living is WAY too high. All that extra unearned money you get is eaten up in higher costs.

[quote]No your WRONG. Right to work is a thinkspeak term for legalized union busting and meant to give employers the benefit of hiring scaves who enjoy the benefits of union fought benefits and pay, but not pay their dues in order to cripple unions and defund them so they go away.
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You do not know what you are talking about. Right to work means the STATE cannot force a closed shop. All that crap you just vomited is just bullshit lies.


[quote]It's even been proven with empirical evidence that state economies suffer under right to work laws and wages go down due to them[/quote]

FLorida, a RIGHT TO WORK state has the fastest growing economy in the country. People here have a better standard of living than in blue state shitholes.
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MethDozer · M
If you're job offering isn't able to afford the most basic of needs of a person than the job you are offering isn't worth creating and society doesn't need it.
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MethDozer · M
@Reason10 No it's not. You haven't learned anything in history or politics if you actually believe that.


Capitalist greed moved jobs to the far east.
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MethDozer · M
Yayyyy wage slavery!!!!
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@MethDozer [quote]Yayyyy wage slavery!!!![/quote]

There is no such thing. The phrase is a oxymoron.
MethDozer · M
@Reason10 No there absolutely is if you actually choose to use your brain. You're tasked with proving it is oxymoron but you can't.
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MethDozer · M
@sladejr also to say capitalism has raised everyone's living standards is objectively and provably false. Ask the people in former colonies that had their resources depleted and got nothing in return. Look at the current chocolate trade.


Capitalism at best just extracts resources and wealth from one place and exports to it their poverty. That is demonstrable facts
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Janitors make more than that. @jshm2
Reason10 · 61-69, M
@jshm2 Like I said in the opening post, a job is ONLY worth what an employer is willing to pay for it.

 
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