You are paid what you are worth, (most of the time.)

Let me count the ways:
1. You are NOT entitled to a job. You have to EARN the job. That means a job has to be open, you have to have the skills to perform that job and you have to be the best candidate for that job.
2. You are NOT entitled to that bullshit "living wage" which only exists in unicorn dwelling unemployed diploma mill grads. You live on what you make. If you want more, you have to work harder and smarter for more.
3. You are NOT entitled to make money based on how hard you work. You could slave in the sun, day after day, making mud pies. You wouldn't be worth a cent. PERIOD.
4. Your pay is based on you reaching a VOLUNTARY agreement with an employer. He wants you to work for free, or a dollar a day. You want to work for $100 a minute, with six months vacation and five Rolls Royces for a car allowance. Your pay is where you and the employer meet somewhere in the middle.
5. The best example of this in the real world is a hospital. A heart surgeon makes more money than the janitor. That's because the heart surgeon's skill is more valuable than that of a janitor.
6. The ONLY time you are paid more than you are worth is a situation created by minimum wage. (Or if you are on WELFARE.) If you are a total bozo, the state has mandated that you not be paid what you are worth, if it is a penny an hour, but rather a minimum amount. Of course, those who are REALLY stupid and incompetent are never hired if their skills are worth less than the minimum wage.

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MethDozer · M

"You're boss is doing you a favor. Your job is a privilege"

sladejr · 56-60, M

@MethDozer um yes. If not it would be a right. Nobody has a right to a job.

Go earn it drama queen

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Reason10 · 61-69, M

@MethDozer @MethDozer
Actually, no favors are involved at all. A boss exchanges his MONEY for the labor of the person he hires. It is an EXCHANGE, to mutual benefit. And bosses shop labor the way we shop for gasoline. The hiring process is TOTALLY VOLUNTARY, (except in union controlled states).
If the janitor doesn't like the salary he is offered, he can put his resume on Monster.com and wait until the six figure positions come up.

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MethDozer · M

@Reason10 It is not entirely voluntary and the employer has the much larger, almost universal benefit and rights in this relationship.

If ai cuss out my employer he just fires me. Then is protected by law to deny me unemployment benefits I pooled each week into. If he cusses me out and treats me like shit? I just have to eat it, nothing I can do. You're assumption "you can just leave" is only true in theory for most people. For most people the struggle is so great under capitalism. They live pay check to check while their company reports record earnings and in the same breath says " we can't afford to pay you decently and fairly". The ownership class does the least, and takes in the most. That's not a fair system and is just wage slavery.
The only thing that brings even a over of freedom and somewhat voluntary IS THE UNIONS. They bring some balance and fairness to this entirely lopsided in the ownership classes favor relationship. But capitalists don't like playing a fair and equal game. They like the rules stacked only in their favor and against their labor

Spoiledbrat · F

I think it's unfair when people get fired right before they're about to collect retirement.

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MethDozer · M

@Reason10 Right to work😂. Right to work in this country is is anything but what it the words say. It's the right to deny collective bargaining. You act like "Right to work" benefits workers and not solely shitty employers.

If workers at a company decide to unionize it only makes sense and only works if new hires have to join the union so the company can't bring in scabs. It's not about the right to work, it's factually the right to undermine employee bargaining.

You're the exact kind that hired Pinkertons to mow down employees with Tommy guns. Let's just bring back company towns and pay in company coins like the food Ol' days, right?

Nice strawman about six figure jobs too. The fact remains, if the people who actually do the work are going poor and struggling to pay rent and food costs while shareholders are raking in record profits and buying multiple yachts, there is a huge problem. But hey, ever decreasing homeownership, record levels of people having to work two jobs just to barely make ends meet, and ever increasing rates of renters is good for business.

[quote]. If ai cuss out my employer he just fires me. Then is protected by law to deny me unemployment benefits I pooled each week into. If he cusses me out and treats me like shit? There's nothing I can do bout it but take it.[/quote]

This totally balanced, yeah.

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sladejr · 56-60, M

@MethDozer

[quote]workers at a company decide to unionize it only makes sense and only works if new hires have to join the union[/quote]

Compulsory unionization? Yeah you show an ocean of respect by thoroughly denying their 1st amrndment rights

Commie slug

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MethDozer · M

@Reason10 No I am not a liar. Nice try. The liars here are the ones selling this law as a Right to Work and an employee protection. It's anything but.

Collective bargaining doesn't work when scabs are allowed to replace union members. While not explicitly denying collective barganing, in practice it severely neuters it. That is fact

sladejr · 56-60, M

@MethDozer Again forcible collective bargaining. No union can prevent you from associating, or not, with anyone legal you choose.

You lose - again

MethDozer · M

@MethDozer Nowhere do unions force people to associate or disassociate with anyone.

sladejr · 56-60, M

@MethDozer

You are calling for compulsory unionization. That's exactly your wet dream

MethDozer · M

@sladejr Nope. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If you don't want to join a union, don't apply at a unionized shop. Why anyone wouldn't want to work at a union shop over non-union is a mystery but I guess some might not want fair representation, pay, and benefits that they offer over non-union shops.

But here's the thing. Right to work is solely to remove funds from unions by allowing workers to work at a union shop and not pay their dues while still receiving the increased pay and benefits the union at the shop fights for. So in essence it allows for a type of theft.

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Reason10 · 61-69, M

@MethDozer B[quote]ut here's the thing. Right to work is solely to remove funds from unions by allowing workers to work at a union shop and not pay their dues while still receiving the increased pay and benefits the union at the shop fights for. So in essence it allows for a type of theft.[/quote]

WRONG. You have no idea what you are talking about.

A union is supposed to EARN its dues by negotiating for the worker, getting better wages, better conditions. RIGHT TO WORK means that unions have to COMPETE for your business. And you have the CHOICE of working non union shops.
In a union state, you have no choice and the GOVERNMENT decides which union represents you.

In education, (in Florida) there are several unions and they compete for the business of the teachers. A lot of them offer good benefits (group life insurance plans, retirement plans, free legal services, etc)

Disney World is completely unionized. A musician has to be in the local union to be employed by Disney.

MethDozer · M

@Reason10 Disney World is completely unionized. A musician has to be in the local union to be employed by Disney.

Good, that's the only way it works. Collective workers is awesome

No your WRONG. Right to work is a thinkspeak term for legalized union busting and meant to give employers the benefit of hiring scaves who enjoy the benefits of union fought benefits and pay, but not pay their dues in order to cripple unions and defund them so they go away.

It's even been proven with empirical evidence that state economies suffer under right to work laws and wages go down due to them.

Everyone has the right to work in non union shops and non union shops exist in every state . They are not unique to right to work laws you nitwit. I live in non right to work, the government does not at all or in any way force people to work in a union or which unions to join. We have plenty union and non union trade shops here. So busted again.

Reason10 · 61-69, M

@MethDozer [quote]good, that's the only way it works. Collective workers is awesome
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Not all the time. In heavily unionized states, the cost of living is WAY too high. All that extra unearned money you get is eaten up in higher costs.

[quote]No your WRONG. Right to work is a thinkspeak term for legalized union busting and meant to give employers the benefit of hiring scaves who enjoy the benefits of union fought benefits and pay, but not pay their dues in order to cripple unions and defund them so they go away.
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You do not know what you are talking about. Right to work means the STATE cannot force a closed shop. All that crap you just vomited is just bullshit lies.

[quote]It's even been proven with empirical evidence that state economies suffer under right to work laws and wages go down due to them[/quote]

FLorida, a RIGHT TO WORK state has the fastest growing economy in the country. People here have a better standard of living than in blue state shitholes.

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