You are paid what you are worth, (most of the time.)

@MethDozer [quote]At least you admit that what employers really want is to be able to own slaves again[/quote]

Not at all.Owning slaves means having to BUY them and that costs money. (Just ask a Democrat whose ancestors OWNED slaves from Africa) Also, owning slaves means having to put them up, feed them, house them. It might be cheaper to just pay minimum wage.

To bring you up to speed with educated folks, I was using what was called an exaggeration to make a point. Employers want to pay nothing. Employees want hedge fund type salaries.
The free market meets in the middle.

@MethDozer
Lol nah, slaves are expensive to house, feed and clothe. Better to pay a free man as little as possible and let him fend for himself. It's up to the free man to chose the best employer and make himself as expensive (worthy) as he can😁

@Reason10 uh huh. M'kay

@SlaveEt The funny part about you're comments is you both just stated modern capitalism is even worse than slavery and offers even less.

Well done unwitting commrads

@MethDozer drama queen much 🙄

The market decides what someone should be paid - the end

@sladejr No they don't really. The ownership class decides what they will pay. Capitalism is coercion through private property..

Even if what you say is true. Then the system is still broken because markets are proving to be terrible at distribution and societal well being under capitalism. If it were a car the markets would be considered lemons.

@SlaveEt "It's up to the free man to chose the best employer and make himself as expensive (worthy) as he can."

This isn't how the real world works. Nothing is up to the free man; the free man doesn't exist. Money controls our world, and men have to live according to it. We would be free if money stopped existing, but then we would be left with nothing except our biological functions and will to survive through whatever means. If you get rid of money, you are still left with the adult human, a destructive force with knowledge of evil and the inclination to choose this over good.

@badlands Ayn Rand said it best.
https://www.capitalismmagazine.com/2002/08/franciscos-money-speech/


[c=BF0000]“If you ask me to name the proudest distinction of Americans, I would choose–because it contains all the others–the fact that they were the people who created the phrase ‘to make money.’ No other language or nation had ever used these words before; men had always thought of wealth as a static quantity–to be seized, begged, inherited, shared, looted or obtained as a favor. Americans were the first to understand that wealth has to be created. The words ‘to make money’ hold the essence of human morality.

“Yet these were the words for which Americans were denounced by the rotted cultures of the looters’ continents. Now the looters’ credo has brought you to regard your proudest achievements as a hallmark of shame, your prosperity as guilt, your greatest men, the industrialists, as blackguards, and your magnificent factories as the product and property of muscular labor, the labor of whip-driven slaves, like the pyramids of Egypt. The rotter who simpers that he sees no difference between the power of the dollar and the power of the whip, ought to learn the difference on his own hide– as, I think, he will.

“Until and unless you discover that money is the root of all good, you ask for your own destruction. When money ceases to be the tool by which men deal with one another, then men become the tools of men. Blood, whips, and guns–or dollars. Take your choice–there is no other–and your time is running out.” [/c]

@badlands The "freeman" is bound to what employment is available. The "freeman" doesn't even really exist we are bound to expenses, bills, and taxes.

Your argument might have a reaction of basis if landlords were abolished and common land was a thing, but is a myth as long as private property and commodification reign supreme.

@MethDozer

[quote]Your argument might have a reaction of basis if landlords were abolished and common land was a thing, but is a myth as long as private property and commodification reign supreme.[/quote]

Planes leave for Cuba every day. Gotta go in a roundabout way, but once you are there you'll stay there

@sladejr Nah, this is my home. Not my responsibility to leave it instead of right my to fix it and stand for what's right

@MethDozer good luck getting rid of the bosses

@sladejr it's people like y'all who defend the "boss" mowing down workers with Tommyguns. I'm understand that.

@MethDozer

You are such a drama queening twink. [b]The world's rough - you actually have to earn what you are given[/b]

No wonder your bosses never respected you - who wants a worker spewing comic book Marxist mantra and creed on the job?

@sladejr Oh I'm pretty well respected by my boss where I work even if we butt heads. If I didn't want have to earn what have I'd charge rent.

@MethDozer pretty coherent

@sladejr Left leaning ideas tend to be.

@sladejr No not really. They actually critique themselves and adapt under material conditions which capitalism does not. It tends to behave as a science over behaving as a dogma.

@MethDozer "The "freeman" is bound to what employment is available. The "freeman" doesn't even really exist we are bound to expenses, bills, and taxes."

Yes, the free man does not exist. This is what I said.

People yearn and they want. How do you propose we get rid of private ownership? Do you think the device you use SW on is yours? Give it to someone else if you don't privately own it. You may think it's insignificant, but so does the other man who doesn't want to give up what is his. He is making money and it feels good to him.

@badlands Oh boy here we go. How many times do we have to explain this.
Her we go.


🗣️📢PRIVATE PROPERTY IS NOT THE SAME THING AS PERSONAL PROPERTY.

The cell phone or computer I am using and you are using is not "private property" they are personal property. When you hear the phrases "private roperty is s theft" or " abolish private property" nobody is talking about nor wanta to or reasons to take away your home or the right to own one. On the contrary they are actually advocating for you to own it and everyone else the right to own their's as that's personal property. 🤦‍♂️

Private property is property being held beyond personal use or labor in order to extract wealth from others through their rent and labor

@MethDozer

Stay off my street - it's a private way

And it'll remain so

@sladejr You're wife invited me to the neighbor's party and they say I can stay

@MethDozer my wife doesn't like twinks and has stratosphericly better taste in guys.

She doesn't go for they/thems