KunsanVeteran · M
@Ynotisay The Epstein files have already had a noticeable derogatory effect on tRUMP’s misadministration—especially with Lugnut being caught in multiple lies in multiple interviews & hearings.
Thus far nothing has drew his own party’s ire to such an extent. Even the extrajudicial murders by him and Kegsbreath.
And now we have tRUMP’s name appearing over one MILLION times in the unredacted Epstein files!
Thus far nothing has drew his own party’s ire to such an extent. Even the extrajudicial murders by him and Kegsbreath.
And now we have tRUMP’s name appearing over one MILLION times in the unredacted Epstein files!
ArishMell · 70-79, M
You may have a point but undermine your own case by starting, "Most us assume rightly...", which means you think almost everyone else agrees with your opinion.
I do not see the Epstein scandal as distracting from Trump's imperialist ambitions and clumsy fiscal policies, and those have always been very widely reported even if not mentioned much at the moment.
His wanting to take over Greenland surfaced in his first Presidentship, when he offered to buy the island - I don't recall him stating why, and the reason he offers now (the USA's military security) are not very credible. The two countries are not even neighbours.
It also blew up well after Trump imposed all those import taxes on goods.
The release of an astronomical number of pages of information (not all any "evidence" in law of individuals breaking the law) has certainly grabbed the headlines for now, and in many countries because they include foreigners as well as Americans. Not only for sexual wrongs although those seem to lead the reporting. Epstein's circles also included political and economic corruption and treason, separately from sexual illegality. His and Maxwell's sexual predations were evil, damaging many women's lives; treasonous acts encouraged by Epstein damages entire countries.
The sheer scale of the scandal might give Trump some awkward breathing-space while he tries to distance himself from any connection to Jeffrey Epstein; but mere distraction cannot hide anything. It simply, temporarily deflects attention from other matters.
I do not believe it a deliberate smokescreen; but something that has been simmering for a long time and had to break out eventually. I see its occurring alongside other matters, as co-incidental.
We could ask if it is distracting Trump himself from pushing for his other ambitions. It might, temporarily. He can't hide forever.
Br sheer co-incidence, this morning we learn of evidence that Donald Trump warned the Police of Epstein's behaviour some twenty years ago; but now denies that.
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One aspect of Trump's actions that has slipped from view for the time being, is Venezuela.
It's gone very quiet. What has happened there since the US government kidnapped its President Maduro while keeping his government as regional administrators under US control?
The reason was apparently for US oil firms' access - Oh, and perhaps breaking the cocaine trade - but reportedly the oil is of poor quality, difficult to extract, and the plant in poor condition; so is it commercially viable for those companies? Have they started work there?
Will the Venezuelans' standards of living improve thanks to US ensuring wise use of the normal taxes on the commercial income from revived oil exports - if the exports do happen?
I do not see the Epstein scandal as distracting from Trump's imperialist ambitions and clumsy fiscal policies, and those have always been very widely reported even if not mentioned much at the moment.
His wanting to take over Greenland surfaced in his first Presidentship, when he offered to buy the island - I don't recall him stating why, and the reason he offers now (the USA's military security) are not very credible. The two countries are not even neighbours.
It also blew up well after Trump imposed all those import taxes on goods.
The release of an astronomical number of pages of information (not all any "evidence" in law of individuals breaking the law) has certainly grabbed the headlines for now, and in many countries because they include foreigners as well as Americans. Not only for sexual wrongs although those seem to lead the reporting. Epstein's circles also included political and economic corruption and treason, separately from sexual illegality. His and Maxwell's sexual predations were evil, damaging many women's lives; treasonous acts encouraged by Epstein damages entire countries.
The sheer scale of the scandal might give Trump some awkward breathing-space while he tries to distance himself from any connection to Jeffrey Epstein; but mere distraction cannot hide anything. It simply, temporarily deflects attention from other matters.
I do not believe it a deliberate smokescreen; but something that has been simmering for a long time and had to break out eventually. I see its occurring alongside other matters, as co-incidental.
We could ask if it is distracting Trump himself from pushing for his other ambitions. It might, temporarily. He can't hide forever.
Br sheer co-incidence, this morning we learn of evidence that Donald Trump warned the Police of Epstein's behaviour some twenty years ago; but now denies that.
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One aspect of Trump's actions that has slipped from view for the time being, is Venezuela.
It's gone very quiet. What has happened there since the US government kidnapped its President Maduro while keeping his government as regional administrators under US control?
The reason was apparently for US oil firms' access - Oh, and perhaps breaking the cocaine trade - but reportedly the oil is of poor quality, difficult to extract, and the plant in poor condition; so is it commercially viable for those companies? Have they started work there?
Will the Venezuelans' standards of living improve thanks to US ensuring wise use of the normal taxes on the commercial income from revived oil exports - if the exports do happen?
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WestonTexan · 18-21, M
Charity · 70-79
Trump doesn't care about the Epstein files or how many times his name appears in it.
...... Trump said in 2016 he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and not lose supporters, he doesn't give a hoot about the Epstein's files. He just don't like his personal business being in the streets.
And Trump is dead serious about Greenland and Canada, his interest is money, resources that is worth money, like the oil in Venezuela.
Tariffs are bringing in billions into the White House Treasury - there is no distraction, it's about money and odds are a lot of that money is going / will go into his accounts. I mean after all he and his puppy is over the US Treasury, they make the reports - and you know Trump demands loyalty - and hires crooks - therefore trump can say you're in it as deep as I am.
...... Trump said in 2016 he could shoot someone in the middle of fifth avenue and not lose supporters, he doesn't give a hoot about the Epstein's files. He just don't like his personal business being in the streets.
And Trump is dead serious about Greenland and Canada, his interest is money, resources that is worth money, like the oil in Venezuela.
Tariffs are bringing in billions into the White House Treasury - there is no distraction, it's about money and odds are a lot of that money is going / will go into his accounts. I mean after all he and his puppy is over the US Treasury, they make the reports - and you know Trump demands loyalty - and hires crooks - therefore trump can say you're in it as deep as I am.
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@ArishMell Good analysis i think.
From across the pond, this 'leaking' of supposed 'evidence' either sounds like an attempt to discredit everybody else before you get to look at the 'top tier'.
Or equally abhorrent, it's being done to specifically ensure the idea of 'reasonable doubt' is already well sown ensuring no charges could ever be brought.
Either way it fails the supposed 'victims'.
From across the pond, this 'leaking' of supposed 'evidence' either sounds like an attempt to discredit everybody else before you get to look at the 'top tier'.
Or equally abhorrent, it's being done to specifically ensure the idea of 'reasonable doubt' is already well sown ensuring no charges could ever be brought.
Either way it fails the supposed 'victims'.
ArishMell · 70-79, M
@Picklebobble2 Thankyou!
it is staggering just how many "files", or at least pages, of information there are: estimated as around six million.
Six million? Really? How many will actually reveal anything useful? How long will it take to sift genuine evidence from meretricious rubbish best shredded?
Rightly we should put the victims of Maxwell and Epstein's controlling and coercive behaviour, especially of under-age girls, first; but I think Epstein has caused a huge amount of damage by encouraging widespread corruption. (I don't know if there is any evidence that Ghislaine Maxwell was involved in that beyond being merely his girlfriend and the hostess at their influence-creating "parties".)
By no means all of the business people and politicians involved will have committed any sexual wrongs - Mandelson himself said in an interview that the money-lender had three separate "buckets" of friends. Though they were utter idiots if they stayed "friends" with this manipulative man after his predatory sexual behaviour became clear. Who was using whom?
The question I have though, of the policial and financial corruption and treason, is for whose benefit? Obviously Epstein and the individuals directly involved... but anyone outside that "bucket"?
it is staggering just how many "files", or at least pages, of information there are: estimated as around six million.
Six million? Really? How many will actually reveal anything useful? How long will it take to sift genuine evidence from meretricious rubbish best shredded?
Rightly we should put the victims of Maxwell and Epstein's controlling and coercive behaviour, especially of under-age girls, first; but I think Epstein has caused a huge amount of damage by encouraging widespread corruption. (I don't know if there is any evidence that Ghislaine Maxwell was involved in that beyond being merely his girlfriend and the hostess at their influence-creating "parties".)
By no means all of the business people and politicians involved will have committed any sexual wrongs - Mandelson himself said in an interview that the money-lender had three separate "buckets" of friends. Though they were utter idiots if they stayed "friends" with this manipulative man after his predatory sexual behaviour became clear. Who was using whom?
The question I have though, of the policial and financial corruption and treason, is for whose benefit? Obviously Epstein and the individuals directly involved... but anyone outside that "bucket"?
Picklebobble2 · 56-60, M
@ArishMell ...And is that reason still applicable today ? Are there people still in positions of power and influence 'conveniently' being overlooked or missed entirely ?
As we always say when a serial killer is exposed. " How awful !"....but we rarely ask how many more out there we don't know about ?
Something else to consider.
This is going to be the U.S equivalent of the UK Post Office scandal.
Thousands of potential victims.
All properly recognised and found to have a case to answer,
all worth legal representation and judicial support (why shouldthe victims pay for legal; counselling; damages (Since it's unfashionable to entrust any official investigation via police or FBI in recent times, God forbid Epstein is the LEAST of such provocations out there !)
And if victims can't get redress from the Epstein estate you might find those wanting to bring cases heard in court sue the government agencies for failures on their part.
As we always say when a serial killer is exposed. " How awful !"....but we rarely ask how many more out there we don't know about ?
Something else to consider.
This is going to be the U.S equivalent of the UK Post Office scandal.
Thousands of potential victims.
All properly recognised and found to have a case to answer,
all worth legal representation and judicial support (why shouldthe victims pay for legal; counselling; damages (Since it's unfashionable to entrust any official investigation via police or FBI in recent times, God forbid Epstein is the LEAST of such provocations out there !)
And if victims can't get redress from the Epstein estate you might find those wanting to bring cases heard in court sue the government agencies for failures on their part.
BrandonWyatt36 · 36-40, M
I wouldn't disagree... You might be on to something... Good observation 👍👍
Convivial · 26-30, F
@BrandonWyatt36 mainly said in jest tbh...
HowtoDestroyAngels · 46-50, M
swirlie · 31-35
Don't worry Convivial, the US military has lost every war it ever started in the last 214 years, starting with the War of 1812.
The last time the US tried to annex a foreign land and call it part of America was in fact the War of 1812, where the US tried 7 times and failed 7 times to annex what is now Canada. The British Army forced the US Army back south across the border despite the US having a military that was 10 times larger than the British Army.
Upon arriving back home in Washington DC with their tails between their legs and having several days to get their story straight before reporting back to the President, the US Army discovered the White House totally engulfed in flames upon their arrival home. The Brits had actually arrived there first and torched the US White House before the US Army made it back home.
Case in point, 9-11. Osama Bin Ladin showed the world how weak, unprepared and basically ineffective the US military really is and how totally inept the US government is at protecting it's own land.
The problem with the US military is that it too is inept, but inept at strategic planning and always has been. That is why the US came out the losers of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Panama just to name a few since 1958.
Therefore, be only afraid of what the global response will be if the US ever tries to pull that same arrogant stunt again with Canada or even Greenland.
The last time the US tried to annex a foreign land and call it part of America was in fact the War of 1812, where the US tried 7 times and failed 7 times to annex what is now Canada. The British Army forced the US Army back south across the border despite the US having a military that was 10 times larger than the British Army.
Upon arriving back home in Washington DC with their tails between their legs and having several days to get their story straight before reporting back to the President, the US Army discovered the White House totally engulfed in flames upon their arrival home. The Brits had actually arrived there first and torched the US White House before the US Army made it back home.
Case in point, 9-11. Osama Bin Ladin showed the world how weak, unprepared and basically ineffective the US military really is and how totally inept the US government is at protecting it's own land.
The problem with the US military is that it too is inept, but inept at strategic planning and always has been. That is why the US came out the losers of Vietnam, Afghanistan and Panama just to name a few since 1958.
Therefore, be only afraid of what the global response will be if the US ever tries to pull that same arrogant stunt again with Canada or even Greenland.
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SumKindaMunster · 56-60, M
They should put your profile in the TDS museum as an example of the illness.
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ArishMell · 70-79, M
@KunsanVeteran You list name-calling - perhaps that's one of the obstacles to overcoming the chaos because it smothers proper, civilised analysis and discussion.
All countries have their individual, internal problems - the USA is no more or less immune to them than any other even though the difficulties vary considerably from nation to nation - but while people are merely hurling invective at each other they are not suggesting how to address their problems.
All countries have their individual, internal problems - the USA is no more or less immune to them than any other even though the difficulties vary considerably from nation to nation - but while people are merely hurling invective at each other they are not suggesting how to address their problems.