People vaguely think of fascism as a Bad Thing that takes away their rights and its a scary thing they don't want.
My argument is that fascism may give you more rights, or at least feel like it. It takes away someone else's rights. That someone else may be someone you don't like and want gone. And because of that, it will feel like a good thing you want. It doesn't make it any less fascist.
@BorealPedant I think that’s what I said, you like the idea because you either are, or feel you are by proxy, in charge. Communism is no better for that.
There's a surprising number of people who think fascism is a good thing, I've spoken to a lot of people who just aren't capable of getting it or don't see it as dangerous. I've seen a lot of sentiments for more police, more harsh anti crime laws, more prisons. It reminds me of one of them dystopian games I play and I think, that could be real life because at the end of it all, people just aren't strong enough to say no.
Where were all these critiques during the last administration? When they were targeting Christian Free speech rights The rights to form 501C 3's with the I. Rs. You didn't speak up. You didn't say a word when they came for the person you disagree with. Just remember, there is a pendulum that swings back. And forth from right to left, it is headed right now. But we need to slow it down and put it back just in the center.Not too far left, not too far, right.
@BorealPedant my experience with righties when it comes to freedom of speech and religion is they believe it means removal of any social consequences for being archaic and punching down while having freedom to use law enforcment and government to target anythjng that makes them uncomfortable
Like they genuinely don't see putting troops on the streets as a loss of personal freedom because the troops aren't there to stop them from doing anything.
It feels good and right because the freedoms of the "other guy" are not their priority. It's about power power power and nothing else.
@BorealPedant Some argue that, I dont actually. To me it boils down to a few things. One people rarely understand the diatinct difference between liberties and freedoms. Even our own government and Constirution. What people refer to freedoms are in fact liberties.
Second few people who speak aboht freedom or liberty for that matter even want it. They want protection of their personal comfort zones and elimination of what they cant understand. They warp their infantile desire to be coddled into comfort and grantinf of priviledge into their liberty which they errounisoisly label as freedoms
Agreed, but that is no excuse. We have all seen World War Two and the actions of fascist countries. Supporters of fascism have to take full responsibility and accept the consequences.
@badminton the actions of world war 2 included the actions of a communist government under Stalin that managed to be as brutal if not more so than Hitler’s regime. No totalitarian governance is acceptable regardless of political stripe.
We know. We see it every day from the left cheering on Murder and making claims about how violence is the answer to get their way and to suppress the other sides voice that tried to openly and publicly debate, and their solution for that was a bullet.
Yes because every time I’ve turned on the news for the last 12 years it’s been something violent happening from the right? Where? When? What’s this super easy instance you can recall? You can’t even mention a specific instance.
There's been tons of incidents of violent right wingers in the news but I think the right don't see it in the same way. Much like how Charlie kirk fans are saying that he was all about peace when he campaigned to bring back revenge prn and that black people were happier when they were being lynched before civil rights.
It could be that the right don't see them as violent because they see nothing wrong in the first place. This would explain how the right sees the left as ultra violent even though the left aren't the majority but I guess, maths 🥴
@Adrift do you have any suggestion for a way to describe a political part that takes away rights, that says there is only one religion that should be practiced, that concentrated money and power in a small group and holds one person as it's virtual God?
Here is the definition of fascism injust got from Google with AI. Does it strike home?
AI Overview
+11 Fascism is a far-right, authoritarian, and ultranationalist political ideology defined by a dictatorial leader, the forcible suppression of opposition, and the regimentation of society and the economy. It emerged in early 20th-century Europe, with the most infamous regimes being Benito Mussolini's in Italy and Adolf Hitler's in Germany. Core characteristics Dictatorial leadership: Fascism is led by a single, all-powerful dictator who embodies the will of the nation. The leader often fosters a "cult of personality" and is glorified through propaganda. Ultranationalism and xenophobia: This ideology promotes intense, often exclusionary, nationalism, with a fervent belief in the superiority of one's own nation or race. This frequently involves demonizing and scapegoating "outsiders," such as ethnic or religious minorities and immigrants, for national problems. Militarism and violence: Fascists view political violence, imperialist conquest, and war as instruments for achieving national rejuvenation. The military is often glorified, and paramilitary groups may be used to intimidate or eliminate political opponents. Totalitarianism: Fascist regimes seek to control all aspects of society and individuals' lives, including the media, culture, and economy. This requires the elimination of political opposition and dissent. Anti-democratic and anti-liberal: Fascism fundamentally opposes liberal democracy, with its emphasis on individual rights and pluralism, which it sees as weakening the state. Economic regimentation: While often allied with powerful business interests and hostile to communism and socialism, fascist regimes exert significant state control over the economy to serve national goals, such as militarism and self-sufficiency.
@Aami1 No thanks. I know you're an adult and wasn't making an accusation. But the way you are acting, I'm not Dr. Phil and don't want to engage like that.
@BizSuitStacy He ain't one of ours he's just a crazy person with incoherent ideas.
Also idk where you're getting the idea I want "fascist slayers". Point of the post is to argue that what you think is freedom may be attacking the rights of others.
