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Some of my liberal minded friends have turned to the right of centre in the past month or so .
It’s all about ‘ illegal ‘ immigration’.
If government don’t sort it , I fear for the future of the UK
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FreddieUK · 70-79, M
I know what you mean. I woke up this morning to find Union Jack flags strung along one of the main roads of our town. It has never been a British thing to do that. It reminded me of the dog that marks its territory by urinating on the bottom of the lamp post. I don't know anybody's motives, but I think there's a lot of mendacity in what people are saying about why they're doing this.

On a practical note, I don't know that the lamp post are able to cope with flags flying in strong wind. They're not designed for that.
SteveTomms · 56-60, M
Me too. The platforming of the right on main stream media is relentless. I have intelligent in laws parroting right wing tropes as fact. Scary.
SteveTomms · 56-60, M
@devonman just hope moderates will react when necessary. The media narrative does scare me!
devonman · 61-69, M
@SteveTomms And me . I thing it will be possible for a right wing government to win an election , then financial chaos .
SteveTomms · 56-60, M
@devonman yes, carnage like the US
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
If the government does sort it and people find they are materially no better off than before and that the populists have sold them a pipedream, then it will be all about "single mothers", "benefit scroungers" or whatever other unpopular minority group finds itself in the crosshairs.

Scapegoating is morally corrosive.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl They managed to hoodwink them over Brexit, it's been of little to no benefit to ordinary people, but they're STILL listening to the same voices. 🫤
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@FreddieUK It is deeply worrying that people have such short memories. Farage et al should be politically radioactive by now.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@SunshineGirl Isn't that what people like us thought about the Trump situation in the States. I don't believe the whole of that great country swallowed the nonsense, but enough people were silent/complicit in it to get to where they are today. Unlike the US, we need a humane, coherent, convincing polotical opposition to the vile comments from Badenock, Philps and Farage.
I think your instinct is right.
...and I say that because the bugaboo of "illegals" has been a cornerstone of the house of lies used to get people angry here (and get them to vote according their biases/hatreds, rather than according to their "better angels").
Quimliqer · 70-79, M
Seems to be a common problem on both sides of the pond!!
TempuraShrimp · 26-30, M
Thats going on here in the usa too. Seems we both got it going on
TempuraShrimp · 26-30, M
@SunshineGirl that's weird
devonman · 61-69, M
@SunshineGirl Flags removed yesterday , replaced today .
Lots of people with time on their hands.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@devonman Hopefully this is just a silly season and things will return to normal when the rain arrives.
Richard65 · M
So, you think immigration is a bigger problem than wealth inequality and the top 10% enriching themselves during a "cost of living crisis"?
Then you've been duped and the right wing has done its job manipulating you. What next, trans issues are more important than child poverty?
devonman · 61-69, M
@Richard65 I don’t share those views .i am saying my surprise, at very liberal friends rapid change in attitudes .
Richard65 · M
@devonman apologies, then they have been manipulated and aren't liberals. Immigrants don't cause you major problems in your life, wealth inequality does. But you did say the government needs to sort it and you fear for the future. I fear at how easily people are manipulated by right wing dog whistles.
TexChik · F
Hopefully its not too late. The EU might lead the charge to save everyone over there. America boots the libs, closes its borders, starts deporting the illegals, and enforces its laws, and suddenly it is the most prosperous nation with the brightest future . Go figure.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@FreddieUK I think perhaps it’s you who doesn’t have a clue. The tents have propped up around cities with bad liberal policies. Nationally those policies have dramatically changed. So has the stupid open borders of the left. The vast majority of the people do not support those policies as evidenced by the resurgence of President Trump.

Scandinavian countries have their own immigration related disasters. The US is well on one way to fixing ours. I suggest you consider doing the same. Tex is correct. Our future is brighter than it has been in a very long time.
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@carpediem
Our future is brighter than it has been in a very long time.

I'm hoping that you are including everyone who lives in the States in the word 'our'. If you are, then I am sure you have a better chance of achieving that bright future. In the same way, I hope for my own country's future.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@FreddieUK Of course I mean every American. The UK has its own issues and you’re right to be concerned. But I’m not foolish enough to comment about specifics. Unfortunately the same can’t be said for Brits thinking they know all about the US.
1490wayb · 56-60, M
how can anyone afford to live there i cant understand
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@1490wayb Well, most of us do and for those who can't we have a welfare system which allegedy is drawing in immigrants. That last part in misinformation of course. Perhaps chat to someone who has visited the UK for a period and ask them what they found.
Elessar · 31-35, M
Immigration is just the current biggest red herring, if you fix that they'll scream about anything else (be it vaccines, be it mandatory seatbelts, whatever they'll throw at the wall and willappear to stick) and your "liberal minded" friends will turn to the right regardless
devonman · 61-69, M
The ‘ flag situation is now out of control . Councils are no longer making any attempt at removing them .
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@devonman I am delighted to say that this very morning (Thursday) I have driven into my town centre and all the flags in lamp posts have gone (since yesterday. I don't know who took them down but I am pleased that we have got our town back.
devonman · 61-69, M
@FreddieUK That’s good . I am depressed to see so many people on the towns fb page congratulating the flag brigade .
Overwhelming support .Probably says more about fb users .
FreddieUK · 70-79, M
@devonman I don't do FB for that reason. I didn't realise how much it was bringing me down until I saw they'd gone. I imagine that a lot of the social media posts are to impress other people, not wanting to be out of step. You're absolutely right it says more about the users than perhaps you want to think. Hold onto your own principles: I am certainly going to continue challenging publicly as long as I can.
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@Justme264 An awful lot of politicians would find themselves effectively redundant if they could not politicise this complex human issue.
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
The fact they are now separating legal and illegal immigration means they are no longer libs
devonman · 61-69, M
@AthrillatheHunt Yes , quite. .The shift in attitudes is tangible . Friendships broken news souses switched .
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@devonman I was ghosted by 3 people I thought I was cool with in 2016 bc I wasn’t a Bernie Bro
hippyjoe1955 · 70-79, M
So you are worried about the illegals or the former liberals?
AthrillatheHunt · 51-55, M
@hippyjoe1955 did you not read what he wrote ? His concern is clearly for the native species of birds in Florida declining in numbers . Duh
Zonuss · 46-50, M
You wanna see real Liberalism come to the USA.
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