@Charity Again, you seem to have missed the point.

@ChipmunkErnie again no I did not

@Charity And yet you continue to miss the point while denying it but I'll try to explain what Lilyb said: "With" would mean teams of mixed genders playing each other, "Against" would mean a team of all one gender playing a team of all another gender.

@HootyTheNightOwl if you have a female who can bet a ball just as good as a male they are not physically tackling each other but they do get the running. Golfing, and skiing, auto racing, and other such none physical sports could be fair to be mixed teams. Basketball, football, boxing, soccer, rugby, and physical combatives sports, cycling, relay races, etc which require strength is a bit lopsided, even for exercise.

@Charity I went to high school with a girl who spent 5 years going out into the sports field every September and playing soccer with two classes of boys aged between 11 and 16... she survived. I'm not sure how she got permission to go play with the boys, but she was the only one out there.

There are lots of sports that you could easily play with a mixed class of children. Javelin, shotput, discus, high jump, gymnastics, dodgeball, baseball, swimming, track, golf, badminton, ice skating, boules, skittles, tennis, hiking, cycling, table tennis (ping pong), relay. That's just to name a few off the top of my head.

I guess that we are just made of stronger stuff over here in England because we actually had some of the "dangerous" sports in our school curriculum and we did them and lived to tell the tale.

School sports day, we ran a mixed relay, with 2 boys and 2 girls per team. We felt the sting of a half flat ball thrown hard enough to hurt for quite a while afterwards (I'd still go back and spend another hour playing dodgeball with those children as 40yo adults now, if I could). We made our memories and we survived.

Hardly anyone seemed to care in the late 90's that girls might get hurt by boys throwing balls at them or that we weren't built to run like the boys were... it was all about participating and having fun.

@Charity What is it about statistics that you don't understand? Even IF trans people comprised 10% of all competitive athletes (which they don't) that would still only be 3500 people in ALL of America or an average of 70 per State, across ALL sports and across ALL age groups which there are hundreds of in most States. Please stop fearmongering. I don't necessarily disagree that there should be tests, but not biological ones, make them physical tests, if they're that much stronger or faster or bigger, then disqualify them from competing or send them to the next weight or age class. Women are well capable of competing with Men in the Military but they're not capable of competing with trans people in some sports? get real...

@spjennifer you're the one that is using the words I don't understand because I do.

I have my opinions you have yours that is the differences between each and every individual that walks the face of this Earth do you understand that.

Fear mongering there is very little in this world I do fear. And what I disagree with I disagree with. I have had in my life friends who had gender issues both male and female. I didn't preach to them I didn't tell them they were wrong, that was their choice, as long as they didn't bring me into their sexual preludes, and we got along just fine.

A man should not compete against or with a woman and quite frankly a woman should not compete against or with a man in ""CERTAIN"" sports. Men are physically stronger than women which makes it lopsided.

As far as the military is concerned, there were reasons set up decades ago is why they didn't use those who had gender problems OR females in the military. That was and is a government decision.

Just like females started their own leagues because they knew they couldn't compete with men, let trans people start their own leagues, oh but it's not enough of them who has the desire to participate in sports. And since they maybe fear mongering of men they choose the female leagues.

@pdockal It means you can not change all the rules just in case the one in 16,000,000 chances that a hermaphrodite (chance of one existing) that even wants to play curling. Likely chance of that are in the Billions to one.

@hippyjoe1955

So your willing to exclude a person because they don't fit into your ideal situation
Your the problem with the world today
I feel so sorry for your family

@HikingMan you have a valid point, there are many things that the current president is doing that has devastating effects on individuals. You should post those articles.

@Charity

@NerdyPotato
Got any evidence for this claim of yours?

@Pambie I have two examples for you:

A) Figure skating used to be a mixed event on paper but only males enrolled until 1902. Then Florence Madeline "Madge" Syers became the first woman ever to participate and immediately took the silver medal. A year later, women were banned from the sport and were given their own event in 1905.

B) Skeet shooting had been a mixed event on the Olympics since 1968. When Zhang Shan became the first woman to win gold in 1992, women were banned in 1996. They were rewelcomed in 2000, but only in a segregated competition.

Now, do you have any evidence that Imane Khelif is a man? Or any details on what makes you consider her one? I noticed you went pretty quiet when I pointed out she's female according to everything you all usually point to.

@kittee all of those born male are not you. Heck they have some women that can stand toe the toe with some of the best males in "some" less physical sports.

@Charity that may be, but it was still within the limits of the competition, and some people being stronger, faster, better than others is the whole idea of sports. So what's the problem?

@NerdyPotato testosterone levels.
Nobody's stupid, and if you put a female against a male in equal weight division equal size, ""equal training,""in pro sports the one with the highest level of
Testosterone are generally the winners.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7930971/#:~:text=Women%20athletes%20are%20known%20to,mass%20%5B10%2C11%5D.

That is why some of those women who are born with gender identification and issues and those who are trans take treatments to lower their testosterone levels.

Fair is fair, right is right, wrong is wrong but to each their own opinion.

@Charity ok, but Imane's testosterone levels were within the limits of the competition, so not too high, not on male levels. So again: what's the problem with her competing in a competition she met all requirements for?

@ffony So what's the purpose of it then, if not to compete?