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I just read an interview with a woman from Pennsylvania who's voting for Trump because he's a business man and will get the economy in shape.

My question is this... He's been bankrupt 11 times, he even lost money operating a casino.

In what disconnected world does she see him as being successful.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
A better question is how did the Clinton's, Bidens and Obama's become multi millionaire's on a government salary????
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
@nudistsueaz Insider trading and political favors.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@DallasCowboysFan At the very least.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@Nitedoc Me too
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
Over 350 companies owned or operated by President Trump and his corporations, what corporations has harris run, aside a part-time job at McDonalds
daydeeo · 61-69, M
@justanothername That's absurd
Convivial · 26-30, F
@daydeeo fraid not, back in the early days if you care to look it up
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Patriot96 The profits from his merchandising definitely aren’t being used for political fundraising.

There’s also a reason why he refuses to file a tax return.
jackjjackson · 61-69, M
Reality is the economy soared while he was in office. The rest is noise.
Khenpal1 · M
@jackjjackson How long can you keep it on , after 4 years you are death ?
Montanaman · M
Because he's still got millions 🤑
His failed businesses are a tax write off, And you some businesses fail. Hotels, restaurants and casinos are a risky business.
Our economy was great in 2018-2019 (pre- covid)
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
@carpediem Good for you. Which has nothing to do with Trump's abilities or investments or inheritance or bankruptcies. Or are you claiming to be a billionaire stable business genius who just happens to hang out on SW?
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@DallasCowboysFan

And there wasn’t. See, Federal courts are gonna want concrete evidence that voter fraud occurred, not a “Trust me, Bro!” reply, with no documentation whatsoever to back it up. Trump lost every case he brought regarding the election being “stolen”from him, even ones hear by judges he appointed.

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Heartlander · 80-89, M
Bankruptcy doesn’t mean a vendor won’t be paid or won’t be paid everything the are owed. If you think it’s a way to screw over vendors maybe you don’t realize that the processed is managed by the bankruptcy court, and if there isn’t enough asset value to cover liabilities, it’s the owner that ends up with nothing. If Trump declared bankruptcy 11 times, and he still has vendors willing to do business with him then the implication is that he can be trusted and unlikely anyone got screwed.

While on the subject, why are Hunter Biden’s businesses all LLCs? Limited liability Companies? Meaning that he takes no personal responsibilities for the losses or what’s being provided for the money paid. And why would anyone doing business with a LLC wouldn’t require guarantees that they got what they paid for?
easterniowegin · 51-55, M
Correction: Trump has filed for Chapter 11 business bankruptcy four times. Trump Taj Mahal 1991, Trump Plaza Hotel 1992, Trump Hotels and Casinos Resort 2004, and Trump Entertainment Resort 2009.

Business reorganization, not personal bankruptcy.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@easterniowegin did those let him escape paying what he owed?
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@easterniowegin How many banks filed for the same thing?
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Convivial it’s not the same as personal bankruptcies. The entities were not people but corporations or some other legal entity. What often happens is that for whatever reason a lender recalls the loan and the business can’t survive without the loan, so the owner gets relief via chapter 11 and stops the bank from pulling their loan. The reason for the bank wanting its money back now may have nothing to do with the business, and everything to do with the bank itself. The role of the receiver appointed by the court is to protect the business for the owner, and once reorganized returns the business to the owners. If it can’t be reorganized it may move to liquidation.
@DallasCowboysFan says
Unless there was voter fraud.
It shouldn't come as a surprise to you that over the last four years, there have been MANY efforts to find voter fraud.

Trump brought SIXTY ONE court cases at different levels in different states with different teams of lawyers, and NONE of them found any evidence of significant election fraud. NONE of them.

Trump also asked his attorney general (and one of his staunchest allies), William Barr, to have the 112,000 member Dept of Justice look into election fraud. I don't know how many members were assigned to look for fraud, but with 112,000 members they have plenty of resources. Barr told the AP that U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they’ve received, but “to date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election.”

But wait! There's more!!

In the days after his 2020 loss, Trump's campaign commissioned two different independent firms to look into 2020 election fraud: Simpatico Software, headed by Ken Block, and Berkeley Research Group. Neither found any significant fraud.

In the months after Biden took power, the republican states of Arizona and Georgia carried out very careful hand recounts and examinations of voter rolls, including the notorious Arizona "Cyber Ninja" hand count. Both found no significant fraud and no signs of funny business.

Ariz. hand count https://azsos.gov/election/2020-general-election-hand-count-results
Georgia signature audit https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fraud-georgia-audit-confirms-authenticity-of-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
Georgia Independent machine audit https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/42925055/no-sign-of-foul-play-found-in-audit-of-georgias-voting-machines
Mich: https://www.michigan.gov/som/0,4669,7-192-47796-553386--,00.html
Georgia: https://www.ajc.com/politics/no-fraud-georgia-audit-confirms-authenticity-of-absentee-ballots/QF2PTOGHLNDLNDJEWBU56WEQHM/
Arizona https://apnews.com/article/technology-biden-cabinet-arizona-phoenix-elections-b59f85b6e917e91a40dc8e99bcab480a
Penn https://www.inquirer.com/news/pennsylvania/spl/pa-election-results-risk-limiting-audit-results-limitations-20210310.html

But wait! There's more!!

Additional "rigged election" claims have evaporated under scrutiny.

(1) Mike Lindell? Lost to his own "prove me wrong" thing.
(2) Mark Meadows? Recanted under oath.
(3) Sydney "Kracken" Powell? Recanted under oath.
(4) Kenneth Chesebro? Recanted under oath.
(5) Rudy Giuliani? Convicted of defamation.
(6) Vote counting machines? They match hand counts.
(7) 2000 Mules? Source "True the Vote" refuses to back up any of their claims in court, despite subpoenas.
(8) Fox News paid out $787,500,000 because they couldn't support their claims of election fraud. $787,500,000 - that ain't pocket change. A business doesn't pay out $787,500,000 for defamation without first spending millions to see if there might be a shred of support for what its people said; to find some excuse for why it's not defamation.

Source info for all points available upon request.


So, @DallasCowboysFan, you're still welcome to believe in anything you like, including "massive voter fraud," but any supporting evidence still CANNOT be found.
joe438 · 61-69, M
The Obamas had some major Netflix deal among other things. I have no idea what they produced for what money but I’ll bet they were overpaid.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
@joe438 Meghan and Harry probably got the same deal. They got paid for doing nothing.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@joe438 I'm sure they were, many times.
you mean he crawled back from bankruptcy 11 times and is now a billionare?

hmm.

seems like hes got more of a handle on it then most politicians installed by big corp money..

just sayin
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
I believe he had several hundred businesses.
Do you know anything about running a business , finance or economics
Convivial · 26-30, F
@Heartlander getting sued for not paying the bills would seem to get into the class of doing something wrong
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@Convivial Not really. People also don’t pay when they don’t get what they ordered or what they contracted for. Or possibly the person who contracted didn’t have the authority to do so. Most people have experienced scam email invoices or such. Businesses deal with that on a daily basis.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@Heartlander Absolutely correct.
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
The casino was in Atlantic City and it was one of the last casino's in the area. All the others left earlier. It was not a result of Trump, the market changed. Atlantic City is a day trip for locals. Las Vegas is an international destination.

But bankruptcy is a function of private enterprise. It happens tens of thousands of times a year across the country. At least he tried....
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@DallasCowboysFan And you must ask the gubberment in Atlantic City what they did with all the tax revenues they gained while the casinos were operating to find out what they did to entice visitors and clean up the city
Amylynne · 26-30, F
these are Fact averse people. the will deny any fact that does not line up with what they believe
she believes what she has been told. she has not looked at the record itself
HobNoblin · 36-40, M
Trump could be homeless and do better than a corpse like Biden. Biden isn't running the country at all, we don't know who is but it has to stop.
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
The Apprentice gave him a cloak of competence that he never possessed. An executive on the show has recently come forward with regrets that the show made him out to be a legitimate businessman
DallasCowboysFan · 61-69, M
@luckranger71 He's probably a Democrat.
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
@DallasCowboysFan Doesn’t matter if he is or not.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M
When you stubbornly and childishly only allow yourself to believe one side of a political candidate you get this kind of cognitive dissonance.

Sounds like this woman knows something you don't. Maybe you should open your mind a bit and show some empathy.
fanuc2013 · 51-55, F
People in his position that have multiple businesses have some of them go bankrupt all the time! This is nothing new! Most of them are successful but some aren't. That's how the mega-rich operate!
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@fanuc2013 and you are ok with that? Weird.
Greenpeas · 46-50, M
It's amazing how people don't see what's right in their face
Convivial · 26-30, F
@Greenpeas I'm the same... Voting for someone who is going to (try) to rule like a dictator... So much for the land of the free
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@Convivial He didn't do it last time and he won't this time either. I do hope he clears the crooks out of DC, everyone knows there many in all branches. Also hope sends the invaders bach to where they came from.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@nudistsueaz s regards being a dictator, I'm just repeating his own words.

As regards the crooks, he's one of the bigger biggest... You do know the hotel he had in Washington was charging the secret service detail who he made stay there 3 times the going rate as everyone else
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
Chrysler and GM went bankrupt as well.
bookerdana · M
Fox business logic..but I'm not touching that Magaite because he tried to overturn a valid Presidential election
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bookerdana · M
@Heartlander btw, Columbia House,was a concentration camp
Heartlander · 80-89, M
@bookerdana Yes, for a while. Supposedly torture chambers and the works. But I believe it converted to SS offices and billets with the expansion of Tempelhof later. I recall seeing old newsreels from the 30s and 40s and I recognized the the entrance setup. The US Army later used it also as an officers' club with a big open dining area that was up a few steps from the grand entrance, and billets were on upper floors. The suite was comparable to VIP/penthouse suites in big US city hotels. I believe that most of that area has been bulldozed since my times. Tempelhof as I understand has since been converted to a people's park.

Jogging my memory, In like the mid1970s we took a family trip to Washington DC. and booked a steep discount space available room at the then old hotel across the street from the White House (the Washingtonian?) It was a "don't worry, we'll find a space for you somewhere" deal. And to our surprise we were put in one of their VIP suites (an award for just being a nice person). It was very much like that Columbia House suite.
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Makes you feel any better I'm not voting for Trump, Harris or Kennedy Jr.

I don't like any of them
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@HumanEarth you don't have to like the person to make your country better
HumanEarth · 56-60, F
Not when I believe all 3 of them take bribes and only do things when a corporations offer them money to "Do The Right Thing"
trollslayer · 46-50, M
She needed to read that letter from the NBC executive regarding The Apprentice.
Convivial · 26-30, F
@trollslayer tbh I'm not aware of that letter or it's contents
trollslayer · 46-50, M
@Convivial https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/18/business/video/trump-apprentice-executive-apology-digvid
Convivial · 26-30, F
@trollslayer thanks
Nitedoc · 51-55, M
At his level those things are just typical business practices.
Starsaligned · 51-55, F
Delusional and simple minded is the only reasons I can come up with 🤨
Monday40 · 51-55, F
I have no clue
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
It's fairly easy to LOOK successful when you start out a multimillionaire because of your Daddy.
Nevertooold · 56-60, M
Probably skimming from his own casino's!!!
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joe438 · 61-69, M
@ididntknow they’ve found nothing of consequences and have never accused him of skimming from the casinos. The lefties just like to keep saying it.
SinlessOnslaught · 26-30, M
Only if you answer me about the profile pic. 🙄
Northwest · M
In what disconnected world does she see him as being successful.

In a word Trump created.
Khenpal1 · M
When voting , don't do it about money
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