Adeptlinguist · M
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goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@Adeptlinguist it's not about growing up cupcake. We don't want to end up like you where we don't have the right to protect ourselves and our families. You can keep you " civilized" ideas where they belong , NOT IN ANERICA.
SpudMuffin · 61-69, M
@goodlil666 so civilised ideas don't belong in Anerica?
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@SpudMuffin None that try to violate our constitutional rights.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
On the first point physically 18-19 year olds are kids. Mental development doesn't really stop till your 20s.
It is perversely funny how you praise a massive loophole that makes what regulations there are largely PR.
Tell me without telling me you have no clue about the history of the second Amendment.
Hint it has nothing to do with what you posted. That is almost entirely an NRA invention and actually is disproven by the actual history.
And the current SCOTUS "interpretation " can be described as making shit up.
Again, tell me without telling me you believe slogans and know nothing about the history.
It is perversely funny how you praise a massive loophole that makes what regulations there are largely PR.
Tell me without telling me you have no clue about the history of the second Amendment.
Hint it has nothing to do with what you posted. That is almost entirely an NRA invention and actually is disproven by the actual history.
And the current SCOTUS "interpretation " can be described as making shit up.
Again, tell me without telling me you believe slogans and know nothing about the history.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@goodlil666 I am willing to bet if I mentioned the constitutional convention s you would be doing the 1000 yard stare.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Yeah GTFOH!!
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@goodlil666 Thanks for proving my point.
BabyLonia · F
https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2024/guns-remain-leading-cause-of-death-for-children-and-teens
Here is a link from the John Hopkins university that says guns are the number one cause of death for kids age 1-17...so your first point is wrong.
An amendment to a constitution can always be amended.... that's kind tge point....otherwise tge amendment is moot in the first place.
Lastly....constitution over dead kids? Really more important to you ?
Here is a link from the John Hopkins university that says guns are the number one cause of death for kids age 1-17...so your first point is wrong.
An amendment to a constitution can always be amended.... that's kind tge point....otherwise tge amendment is moot in the first place.
Lastly....constitution over dead kids? Really more important to you ?
windinhishair · 61-69, M
@goodlil666 Sure we could. That's what the military is for. We don't need gun nuts to take military assault weapons out to the streets and start firing at other citizens. That's why the Founding Fathers tied gun ownership to state militias, as they should have. Unfortunately we have had a recent Supreme Court that has misinterpreted the Second Amendment. That will be reversed in the future, though probably not any time soon.
Look, I get that you are all for owning weapons designed to kill large numbers of people for imagined and fantasy scenarios. And some people do just that, including killing children in schools. Eventually we will progress to a point where we will ban them again. The only question is how many more thousands need to die until we do and start to turn things around.
Look, I get that you are all for owning weapons designed to kill large numbers of people for imagined and fantasy scenarios. And some people do just that, including killing children in schools. Eventually we will progress to a point where we will ban them again. The only question is how many more thousands need to die until we do and start to turn things around.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@windinhishair LOL !!! THAT IS EXACTLY WHY THE WANTED US TO HAVE THEM FOOL. Did you forget how we obtained our independence? LOL. SMHL
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SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
They get that statement by including 18-19 your olds. Last time I checked 18 and 19 yo are adults..
Presumably they included them to capture all high school students.
It's not much of a boast to say that gun violence wouldn't be the leading cause of death among children if you exclude one year.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@SunshineGirl Not at all, your missing the point of how they manipulate the facts to fit the narrative they want. That's the point. You can't include adults in with stats that you are claiming or for children.
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
@goodlil666 No narrative required. The facts speak for themselves and are shameful.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@SunshineGirl And the facts show the present administration is lying about the facts.
Docdon23 · M
check the stats for children or teenage deaths from gun violence in the US compared to every other country. We are way ahead. Wow, something to be proud of. To say it is caused by mental illness alone or anything but guns is to ignore the facts. Look at UK, Japan and others...vurtually none!!! The difference? We seem to love our guns.
Docdon23 · M
@goodlil666 You are such a joke!! tell us to leave? As if this is any more your country than ours!! In fact, you are so anti-Constitution and anti-American--our country was founded on the ideas of freedom, freedom to differ, freedom of speech and conscience and so much more.
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Northwest · M
The 2 nd amendment is just as vital today as it was the day it was ratified. The government has no authority to change or restrict it. It's purpose is to prevent the government from passing any laws , regulations or restrictions
keeping citizens from access to firearms..
keeping citizens from access to firearms..
That's your opinion, but in fact the Constitution contains al the tools, the
Government
needs to change or restrict. In fact if you set your brain to operational mode, you'll figure out that the reason it's called a 2nd amendment, it's because the Government created it.So, stop lying to yourself, and consider that the people, through the Government they elect, can amend the Constitution, if the people wish it so.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@Vin53 Your point is mute, your beating a dead dog. They are legally adults. The government classifies them as adults, and has no problem sending them off to war. It doesn't work both ways unless your trying to alter reality.
And those 18-19 yo are mostly gangbangers many with extensive criminal records already hardly children of any sort.
And those 18-19 yo are mostly gangbangers many with extensive criminal records already hardly children of any sort.
PowerofStories · 61-69, M
Your description of the history of the Second Amendment is flawed. It was not interpreted to allow preserve the right of every American to have a gun until a Supreme Court 5-4 decision in 2008. There was more than 100 years legal precedent to the contrary in the lower courts until then.
In 1791 the firearms available were muskets and flintlock pistols. No one even dreamed of weapons that could kill 20 people in a school classroom or a WalMart in the space of a minute.
Your logic and alleged history lesson is little more than wishful thinking based on your personal values.
In 1791 the firearms available were muskets and flintlock pistols. No one even dreamed of weapons that could kill 20 people in a school classroom or a WalMart in the space of a minute.
Your logic and alleged history lesson is little more than wishful thinking based on your personal values.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@Patriot96 Those are exactly the type of weapons needed to defend against a standing army of today.
SomeMichGuy · M
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@SomeMichGuy The way it is worded made clear that " weapons necessary " that means weapons capable of defending against a standing army of the day. They were smart enough to know weapons were going to change and the people should have comparable weapons.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@SomeMichGuy It also makes clear that it is an individual right held by the citizens.
SomeMichGuy · M
@goodlil666 ...for the express purpose of having a well-regulated militia.
You should spend some time with, say, the Cornell legal server.
You should spend some time with, say, the Cornell legal server.
windinhishair · 61-69, M
Background checks should be required for all gun purchases and transactions, INCLUDING private sales. The firearms are just as deadly no matter the circumstances of the transaction.
Any constitutional provision can be changed or amended according to the process the Constitution itself lays out. The Second Amendment could be changed or amended along with any other.
You should educate yourself by reading the DC v. Heller decision that addresses the limits of the Second Amendment, and ruled that there was a fundamental right to own firearms as an individual. This decision, of course, could be reversed or modified by future Supreme Courts, and is likely to be at some point. And even in that decision, the Court recognized limits on the right, including gun control measures. Read Justice Scalia's majority opinion.
Any constitutional provision can be changed or amended according to the process the Constitution itself lays out. The Second Amendment could be changed or amended along with any other.
You should educate yourself by reading the DC v. Heller decision that addresses the limits of the Second Amendment, and ruled that there was a fundamental right to own firearms as an individual. This decision, of course, could be reversed or modified by future Supreme Courts, and is likely to be at some point. And even in that decision, the Court recognized limits on the right, including gun control measures. Read Justice Scalia's majority opinion.
ElwoodBlues · M
So you're saying these statistics about children under 18 are wrong?
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2023/04/06/gun-deaths-among-us-kids-rose-50-percent-in-two-years/
If the Pew Research Center got the numbers wrong, then please enlighten us with the correct numbers!
If the Pew Research Center got the numbers wrong, then please enlighten us with the correct numbers!
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
Subsumedpat · 36-40, M
@Patriot96 I am not saying I have a gun if I did I probably lost it in a boating accident. But if I did have a gun who wants to be the one in the room without one when others have them, especially the criminal types.
goodlil666 · 51-55, M
@Adeptlinguist No it shows I can logically asses a situation without trying to deny someone's constitutional rights over a knee jerk reaction to a much deeper issue. The vast majority of these so called kids 15-19 yo. are gang bangers , with rap sheets , or caught up in gang violence. That's reality. Trying to paint them as all innocent " children" is not doing anything to improve the conditions from which they are dieing from.
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wildbill83 · 41-45, M
biggest killer is abortion by far (they conveniently leave those numbers out of their statistics)...
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TheOneyouwerewarnedabout · 46-50, MVIP
gun violence would drop dramatically if medicated dems stop shooting ppl.. just saying
wildbill83 · 41-45, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout easier for them to sensationize & drum up hyperbole when they can blame inanimate objects for everything...
It's always the guns fault, the drugs fault, the systems fault, etc.; never their own fault...
It's always the guns fault, the drugs fault, the systems fault, etc.; never their own fault...
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