US refugee crisis: a moral litmus test of white American Christian response.

@Diotrephes did you know Jesus is the 6th most popular boys name in the Mexican state of Quintana Roo? No it’s not I just made that up .

@Diotrephes [quote] [b] I wonder where his mother is? [/b] [/quote]

So does Maury....

@Threepio Joseph , you are NOT the father . (Crowd goes wild ).

@LeopoldBloom [quote] Of course, actual religion as it's practiced has very little to do with the written texts. As I mentioned earlier, the New Testament doesn't mention abortion even once, and gay people only come up in one very ambiguous passage, yet opposition to gay rights and abortion is a central tenet of many American churches. [/quote]

American churches are for straight people who love to raise children of their own. Everyone else with a different orientation and attitude towards the sanctity of human life needs to be part of another club.

@sree251 That's the way it should be.

@Paladin [quote] That's the way it should be. [/quote]

Yes, to each his own; especially, in a free society. However, Christians are attacked and berated for being what they want to be.

@sree251 Your religion is strictly between you and your god. Keep it there. Don't try forcing it on our nation.

@Paladin [quote] Your religion is strictly between you and your god. Keep it there. Don't try forcing it on our nation.[/quote]

If it is your nation, you would have no issue with laws consistent with your values. For example, Islam is not forced upon Saudis in Saudi Arabia. Buddhism is not forced upon Thais in Thailand. America is not your nation. Get out to where you belong.

@MistyCee [quote] Still, the thing [b]I've always picked up from Jesus [/b]is a softer, gentler and selfless sort of vibe.

This intrigued me. [/quote]

The Jesus you picked up from has to be a depiction, an image in your mind. Did you watch a Jesus movie?

@sree251 A couple of movies maybe, more history channel documentaries, and exposure to sermons at weddings, funerals and conversations with people.

I've picked up the New Testament a couple of times, but never really studied it.

@Diotrephes [quote] Each person is supposed to be his/her own best friend because if you are not well adjusted it is almost impossible to help someone else. [/quote]

You must have pondered on this a lot.

The notion of being a person among many people has been a mystery to me. Is this a notion of mine, or is it the same opinion held by you[b] as another me[/b]?

In other words, there is essentially only one person in existence repeated 8 billion times. And yet, each manifestation of me - you, for instance - perceives me as another separate person.

@graphite I am not disagreeing with you, but would like the biblical references about what the Bible says about national borders.

@IM5688 There were no national borders in Jesus' time. The Bible was written 400 years after Jesus cucifixion.

@Bumbles [quote] I think it’s a mutually satisfactory relationship. Our dollars make there way back to home relatives. Also, people go back and forth accords the border as opportunities arise. I see a lot of pretty happy with in tact families. They laugh a lot more than white people do. Many parties, gatherings, etc. [/quote]

I believe your account of their situation. I have seen that also in Asia. They sneak across borders. Some have papers and passports. Yes, they laugh a lot regardless. I have seen them at friends' homes serving me food and drinks on bended knee. The women leave their small children behind in their villages to work abroad. They return once a year bringing back money and presents. Their situation upset me; and yet, their lot is much better than the illegals holding up your city.

@sree251 I wouldn’t be comfortable with any bended knee. It’s more transactional than a servant situation. I value what they provide which is why I’m a moderate when it comes to immigration. There is a need for labor, and available workers. The border shouldn’t make that impossible.

By one estimate 25 billion dollars is sent back home per year. That is a much more efficient method of foreign aid than it going to taxes, paid out, the skimmed off the top.

@Bumbles [quote] I wouldn’t be comfortable with any bended knee. It’s more transactional than a servant situation. [/quote]

It could be transactional if the bended knee was that of a Flipina at the coffee lounge of the Four Seasons in Hong Kong but I was in Kuala Lumpur; and one time, one of them maids, a Cambodian, prostrated herself before me, Thai style, as though I was that King in Bangkok. I liked that. The white man still has a powerful aura in Asia.

[quote] I value what they provide which is why I’m a moderate when it comes to immigration. There is a need for labor, and available workers. The border shouldn’t make that impossible. [/quote]

The Chinese also provide labor and I am stunned by the cheap prices of stuff at the Big Box stores and what I could order on Amazon, all made in China. They must be breaking their backs for us at 15 cents an hour. And yet, we would encircle them with our military bases in South Korea, Japan, and the Philippines over their province of Taiwan.

The illegals in the US are something else. If we let them in, we must ensure that they are all given the basic rights to live here like us without hiding from the law.

[quote] By one estimate 25 billion dollars is sent back home per year. That is a much more efficient method of foreign aid than it going to taxes, paid out, the skimmed off the top. [/quote]

There is no reason why we can't have that without making them suffer. We could easily legislate that by given them exemption from taxes.

@sree251 https://byfaith.org/2023/09/09/the-bible-immigration-refugees-amp-economic-migrants-2/#:~:text=The%20Bible%20addresses%20borders%20at%20least%20forty%2Dthree%20times.&text=The%20Bible%20clarifies%20that%20those,overthrow%20or%20undo%20their%20faith.


Do modern slave traders control your borders? This is the question people avoid when confronted with the problem of chaotic, lawless borders. The Bible’s perspective on migrants, borders and immigration may shock you because the Holy Scripture is not woke! God does not conform Himself to the worldly pattern of thinking of this age (Romans 12:1-2).

@graphite You are serving food out of a can. Can you do your own cooking?

@soar2newhighs [quote] did you read the attachment?
Well if the terms are irrelevant, no need to go on. [/quote]

Hey look, this is a forum for idle conversation among people who have nothing better to do in life. Specificity is for self-important nutjobs who regard splitting hairs is a necessity here.

@sree251 Idle conversation or points of view and opinions?
If you think the meme is splitting hairs, that’s your opinion.

@soar2newhighs [quote] Idle conversation or points of view and opinions?
If you think the meme is splitting hairs, that’s your opinion. [/quote]

Does it matter? We are just making thought waves like leaves making sounds rustling in the wind. This is my opinion.

@graphite Oh, here is the "America is so much greater then where you live"-guy but also the person that can't take it when people actually get intrested in this great nation he likes to brag about.

@Kwek00 "and if you choose incorrectly the governments and its bootlickers will segregate you and your children. It doesnt matter though, they are dirty un-injected children"

@gol979 Yeah, that's exactly the way it is when you are an overly dramatic manchild Gol... that's how the world works your head.

Just like people that don't wear seatbelts, get picked out of traffick and stigmatised for choosing not the wear their seatbelt.
Or people that drive around in unsafe vehicles, not suited for the road, get punished.

If only everyone can just do exactly what they want and not care about the rest of society... things would be so much better for the manchildren in this world.

@Zonuss [quote]A true Christian does not advocate violence.[/quote]

Be sure to tell that to Jesus =

Matthew 10:34 (NKJV) = “Do not think that I came to bring peace on earth. I did not come to bring peace but a sword."