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SCOTUS Takes Up the Trump Insurrection Ballot Ban Case

They're taking up the Colorado case - and their ruling will almost certainly apply to other state rulings as well (such as Maine).

What do I think SHOULD happen?

Trump should be barred from ever serving in federal office again.

What I think WILL happen? The Roberts Court has been pretty spineless. Remember how it decided ObamaCare? By twisting the meaning of the individual mandate as a "tax" instead of a requirement to purchase a product from a business.

So I believe that SCOTUS will avoid the Colorado ruling that the prohibition on holding federal office under the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment applies to the president and vice president (as "officeholders), as well as avoiding the Colorado ruling that Donald Trump did indeed take an oath to uphold the Constitution despite the word play defense his lawyers offered.

What they will do is allow Trump to remain on the ballot by saying Trump hasn't (yet) been convicted of insurrection (never mind that he gave support to those that did), perhaps kicking the can to Congress for that interpretation.

The Court knows there isn't time for such a criminal conviction of Trump to happen before the election and they know a divided Congress won't be able to do anything either.

Do they feel Trump is a danger to democracy? No doubt they do. But they will figure, like the Court did with ObamaCare, the next election will decide it, one way or the other, and make everything about Trump mute, one way or the other.

The problem with that is that if Trump were to win, it may be the LAST free election we will have.
While I don't want Trump to hold office again, I'm not sure we want to set a precedent where 9 unelected judges (actually just 5) can decide if a candidate should be disqualified. That being said, this court hasn't exactly done Trump's bidding. They didn't help him with his election challenges. So it's possible they will uphold the Colorado decision.

Trump's strongest argument will be that Jan. 6 wasn't an "insurrection." The amendment clearly applied to the Confederates who were disqualified after the Civil War, but that event was a lot bigger than Jan. 6. On the other hand, Couy Griffin was disqualified for his own role on Jan. 6, so there's a precedent for calling it an insurrection (not that this court cares about precedent). Griffin was convicted of a crime, but that's not required as the former Confederates were not only not convicted of any crime, they weren't even charged with one. So the amendment is self-executing.
@Strictgram Assuming he's the nominee, of course.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@LeopoldBloom Primary and general.
@Strictgram His team proposed cancelling the remaining Republican primaries, but backed down. I thought they already missed the deadline for getting him onto the Montana primary ballot, not like he'll need it.
Something I always loved about America is that our institutions were set up specifically so that our democracy couldn't be threatened. Sure, it was never perfect, but we continued making improvement consistently. Now I see that we didn't come nearly close enough. Trump is the archetype of a wannabe-dictator with full control of a major political party, who already tried to end democracy. He shouldn't be allowed to run for president again. And yet, he's going to be the nominee.
OtkCouple · 41-45, C
@Strictgram You didn't address any of my points because you know you're wrong.
OtkCouple · 41-45, C
@Strictgram https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4z44XP4u9Xs
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
I believe your correct in your analysis. I also believe not much will through regarding other democratic issues because SCOTUS is the ultimate final authority. Even if Biden gets elected.

Tremendous harm was caused when the SCOTUS became Republican. Only way around them is to add constitutional amendments. That's not likely either.
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sunsporter1649 guy, look up the life of Aristotle before for you judge others. Especially on gender preferences ARISTOCRAT!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
DeWayfarer · 61-69, M
@sunsporter1649 resulting to meaningless memes again! As you always do!
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
What did President Trump do to get kicked off the ballot?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram where is your research?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 I don't have time to waste as you seem to have. If there was a case of insurrection to be had the leftist , weaponized, prosecutors, Trump haters would have brought it long ago.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram my time is not wasted, i keep hoping that of enough of us post reality, we will overwhelm the nonsense that people like you push.
Tastyfrzz · 61-69, M
Hopefully thevsupreme court says a president can do anything he/she wants so that the next day Biden can send Trump on a ride strapped to the nose of the next Starship.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
Only leftist fools use the word insurrection as no one, including Trump, have been so charged.
You mean moot not mute.
@Strictgram Doesn't matter. None of the former Confederates disqualified after the Civil War were charged with any crime. The amendment says "engaged" in insurrection, not "convicted" of it. It's self-executing, like the requirement that the president be over age 35. The only questions are whether Jan. 6 was an "insurrection" and whether Trump "engaged" in it.

Couy Griffin was convicted of trespassing for his role on Jan. 6, and he was disqualified under the insurrection clause of the 14th amendment. So there's already precedent for this.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@LeopoldBloom Supreme Court will put the issue to bed.
@Strictgram Don't be so sure. They didn't help Traitor Tot out with his fake election fraud claims. The billionaires who own Thomas and Alito would be delighted if the court ruled against him.
Lilnonames · F
im nnnnot up to date on it but i think biden and trump be banned
@Lilnonames Sure, as soon as Biden engages in insurrection, disqualify him.
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@Picklebobble2 We should have been where we are now at least a year ago. It shouldn't be an issue of whether he will be tried and convicted before the election.

I don't get how Sam Bankman-Fried was convicted a year after his crimes came to light. Securities fraud isn't easy to prove, either. There's no reason why it took this long to put together the cases against Trump.

 
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