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SCOTUS Takes Up the Trump Insurrection Ballot Ban Case

They're taking up the Colorado case - and their ruling will almost certainly apply to other state rulings as well (such as Maine).

What do I think SHOULD happen?

Trump should be barred from ever serving in federal office again.

What I think WILL happen? The Roberts Court has been pretty spineless. Remember how it decided ObamaCare? By twisting the meaning of the individual mandate as a "tax" instead of a requirement to purchase a product from a business.

So I believe that SCOTUS will avoid the Colorado ruling that the prohibition on holding federal office under the insurrection clause of the 14th Amendment applies to the president and vice president (as "officeholders), as well as avoiding the Colorado ruling that Donald Trump did indeed take an oath to uphold the Constitution despite the word play defense his lawyers offered.

What they will do is allow Trump to remain on the ballot by saying Trump hasn't (yet) been convicted of insurrection (never mind that he gave support to those that did), perhaps kicking the can to Congress for that interpretation.

The Court knows there isn't time for such a criminal conviction of Trump to happen before the election and they know a divided Congress won't be able to do anything either.

Do they feel Trump is a danger to democracy? No doubt they do. But they will figure, like the Court did with ObamaCare, the next election will decide it, one way or the other, and make everything about Trump mute, one way or the other.

The problem with that is that if Trump were to win, it may be the LAST free election we will have.
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sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
What did President Trump do to get kicked off the ballot?
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@sunsporter1649 participate in an insurrection. That, according to the 3rd paragraph of the 14th amendment disqualifies him from holding office. If you believe the constitution is to be taken as written, what can be done?
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@samueltyler2 LOL, what insurrection, the one some left-wing nut-job marxist judge decided without an indictment, trial, and jury finding?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 Ignorant old fart. Only leftist embeciles use the word insurrection. Trump and no one else was charged nor convicted of insurrection.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram so when someone disagrees with you, you need to resort to cursing them? that is a very adult reaction! you are as much a petulant toddler as your messiah is.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 No curses from me.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram seems too me you called me an old fart, what does that qualify as?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 If you think Jan 6 was an insurrection you are indeed a senile old fool. Sorry if the truth hurts.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram I am too much of a gentleman to react with equal wording. You need to look up the definition of the word insurrection. If Jan 6 does rent match it, then what does?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 NO one has been charged with insurrection. Can you understand that? Just how far a leftist are you. Are you a card carrying member of the communist part? I'm glad you're a gentleman but you must have dementia.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram you are further showing both you insensitivity to others and rigid stance. Clearly you have imbibed the far right Koolade. Did u look up the definition? It is clear to most that what happened on Jan 6 was an attempt to overturn an elective, and to interfere with the function of the government.
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 If it was an insurrection why was NO one so charged? It's obvious to everyone but you. You're drinking marxist Kool Aid and may not know it. An insurrection involves guns and lots of them. None displayed on 1-6.That is if you ever had any to begin with. Only the far left calls Jan. 6 an insurrection. By doing so you lose all credibility. That is if you ever had any, which is doubtful.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram You are being so obstinate. No one has to be charged to be called an insurrectionist. Take you choice of the following!

Oxford dictionary:
in·sur·rec·tion
[ˌinsəˈrekSHən]
NOUN
insurrection (noun) · insurrections (plural noun)
a violent uprising against an authority or government:
"the insurrection was savagely put down" · "opposition to the regime led to armed insurrection"

Dr. Google:
The word insurrection refers to “an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government” 12. It is a violent action taken by a large group of people against the rulers of their country, usually in order to remove them from office 23. The term is often used to describe a rebellion, revolution, uprising, revolt, or mutiny against authority 1.

Ask AI by Bing:
Sedition and insurrection are two terms that are often used interchangeably, but they have different meanings. Sedition refers to conduct or speech that incites individuals to violently rebel against the authority of the government. On the other hand, insurrection includes the actual acts of violence and rebellion 1.

In a monarchy, sedition might refer to actions instigating the removal of a king or queen. In a constitutional democracy, sedition and insurrection refer to inciting or participating in rebellion against the constitutionally established government, its processes and institutions, or the rule of law 1.

For example, the Joint Chiefs of Staff of the United States military recently denounced the January 6th, 2021 attack on the U.S. Capitol as an act of sedition and insurrection 1.

Mirriam Webster:

insurrection
noun
in·sur·rec·tion ˌin(t)-sə-ˈrek-shən
Synonyms of insurrection
: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

Cambridge dictionary:

Meaning of insurrection in English

insurrection
noun [ C or U ]
US /ˌɪn.sɚˈek.ʃən/ UK /ˌɪn.sərˈek.ʃən/
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an organized attempt by a group of people to defeat their government and take control of their country, usually by violence:
armed insurrection



Time magazine discussion:https://time.com/6137604/history-insurrection-jan-6/
Ever since a mostly white mob stormed the U.S. Capitol after attending a Trump-headlined “Stop the Steal” rally on Jan. 6, 2021, there has been an ongoing and heated debate over whether to call the event an “insurrection.” This much is undisputed: hundreds of rally attendees—some armed with metal flagpoles, baseball bats, pepper spray and stun guns—smashed their way into the Capitol building and loitered in the halls, splintering off to rummage through offices or maraud an empty chamber of Congress. Five people died on that day as a result of the clash between the crowd and Capitol police, and at least 140 were reportedly injured. However, the interpretation of those facts has largely diverged into polar opposites.

An “insurrection,” by definition, is a “violent uprising against an authority or government.” It is clear that Capitol stormers who dissented against the election outcome, or even sought to obstruct Congress’ certification of the election, were rising up against the government. The crux of the contention among commentators, though, lies in whether the crowd was truly violent—an attribution that has faced resistance. This distinction determines whether those who breached the Capitol are to be accurately described as “rally goers” or “rioters,” “patriots” or “terrorists,” “peaceful protestors” or “insurrectionists.”
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 Looks like you spent a lot of time but all in vain.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram where is your research?
Strictgram · 70-79, C
@samueltyler2 I don't have time to waste as you seem to have. If there was a case of insurrection to be had the leftist , weaponized, prosecutors, Trump haters would have brought it long ago.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Strictgram my time is not wasted, i keep hoping that of enough of us post reality, we will overwhelm the nonsense that people like you push.