Why to secular western leftists support Islamic terrorist groups?

@Entwistle Agreed!

Secular western leftists oppose killing innocent people, full stop. I have found recently that unless I phrase it with just the right pile of caveats, my opposition to killing Gazan innocents will be interpreted as support for Hamas, and my opposition to killing Israeli innocents will be interpreted as support for arbitrary invasions of Gaza.

@ElwoodBlues It never ceases to amaze me how stupid some people can actually be.

@Entwistle Problem is there are people who act on incendiary words, they are not the brightest ones, nor the most humane ones.

@Convivial I agree completely. I was being sarcastic because I'm frustrated having to deal with the ridiculous arguments.

@Burnley123 I understood that and was supporting your point of view

@sascha Asking and suggesting a ceasefire is condemning both parties.
Asking them to stop slaughtering each other.

@Burnley123 The baby in this thumbnail/picture is very sweet. I do feel sad when I see it.

I do not live in Israel. But, I have been and stayed there many times, and know many who live there. I have never said that I support their government. All governments should be questioned. People are better off when there is less government. It is impossible to ignore that political division in Israel led to complacency and misplaced priorities. Nonetheless, judges are no different from politicians in their poor and unfair judgments. They too are the state. These are two entities who have an undeserved power, and people were arguing over which should get more freedom to make their subjective, arrogant, and exclusionary judgments? Why? Only the judge and the politician get to decide, and then their minions in the lesser authorities do their nefarious work.

There were abject intelligence, security and defense failings as well. If civilians are going to live in the communities (built and cultivated by the founders) in the lands of southern Israel, they should receive better protections. Most of them are parents with children, or are elderly.

Israel is compelled, if not obligated, to respond when large numbers of its civilians are murdered, with entire communities being infiltrated by Hamas. This idea that they ought to stand by and allow Hamas to attack, until the inevitable consequence is that there are no Jews left, is absurd and horrifying. It extends to the issues that have taken place in the West over the past 10-15 years. If you are the party who is seen as more privileged, you must not respond when other people violate you. There were villains before you, and you will become a racist, phobic, and fascist villain if you dare to fight back.

The left is not calling for less action, they are calling for no action.

"There is no justification for killing 13 children while they are sleeping in their bed..."

This is what Ahmed Alnaouq, in the video above, said.

It is true.

I wouldn't want to be a soldier sending missiles into Gaza. I also wouldn't want to be someone who is ignoring or minimizing what Hamas did, and is seemingly fine with them doing it again.

@sascha [quote]I also wouldn't want to be someone who is ignoring or minimizing what Hamas did, and is seemingly fine with them doing it again.[/quote]

But I'm not.

I'm against further loss of life. On both sides too.

@TrashCat That’s a different question. Lots of people don’t remember events from before they were born or before they turned 7 or 8.

Do you remember the assassinations of JFK, RFK, and MLK?

Do you remember the six-day war and the Yom Kippur war?

Do you remember the space flights of Projects Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo?

@RedBaron I do not remember because I wasnt around but I am aware of it because I am educated.

@TrashCat Just like those events, information about the Irgun and the hotel bombing is available for anyone wishing to know about it.

Why do suppose anyone on the right or left or in the center would condone terrorism?

@Ozymandiaz It would be ironic if it wasn't actually disastrous.

@Elessar It hasn’t been disastrous for the right.

@Burnley123 I like to think I was a leftist in spirit back then 😌 But no, I only know about it historically, though my dad as a university professor was opposed to the war and there was a lot of campus protest at the time, just like today.

@SW-User You speak from knowledge and you are right about that time.

Every single war apart from WW2 has been condemned by history but most people think that the current one is different.

Most people know that Iraq was a disaster now but at the time most of them were dunking on anti-war people. The pattern repeats over and over again. You basically need to understand imperialism to get geopolitics and that is why the left can call things where others can't.

@hartfire Right is someone sending money to Hamas or something? Like what the fuck is with these insane accusations.

@CountScrofula I have very little idea where or how Hamas gets its funding and support.

Certainly the Palestinians themselves are too poor.
Oman gives some support. It has acknowledged on international news channels that the leadership of Hamas are sheltering in Oman. It also says it is trying to caution against terrorist acts and encourage negotiation.

The spooks know that Iran has been supplying armaments.
With the electricity cut off in Gaza, batteries with soon be running out, generators have already run out of fuel, so bank transfers, mobile phone and intenet services will all be down.
Even the journalists' camera footage will only last as long as there batteries.
The horror is the civilians who suffer.

@badminton Apart from the word liberal, I disagree with 100%.

I'm still condemning the actions of the Israeli govt.

@Burnley123 In American political usage liberal (also called Progressive) is contrasted with conservative and right-wing. Liberalism can be defined as "Relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes civil liberties, democracy, equal rights, opposing racism...a belief that government should actively work to improve the condition of the poor and working class."

[i]That from the nearest dictionary.
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@badminton There are lots of different definitions of liberalism. On values though, we agree.

@EarthlingWise That is not a fair representation of the anti-war movement.

@Burnley123 What anti-war movement? The only anti-war movement I've seen in my life were the German Greens in the 1980s; they're now calling for increased militarisation.
What we're seeing in the Western countries now is either pro-Israeli or pro-Palestine marches. Very few truly pacifist marches. Only entrenched groups infiltrated with religious propagandists.

@EarthlingWise There's massive protests taking over cities across multiple countries calling for a ceasefire. What else would you call that?

@Entwistle I really hadn't thought about, but yes I assumed they did. Is that wrong?

@Musicman Well it's a very ignorant assumption tbh.
I support Palestinians but i don't support Hamas.

@Musicman It's a problem with the way it's reported by the media.

@Burnley123 Oh I didn't know that?

(How's that for sarcasm?) ;-)

@anythingoes477 You had me rolling on the floor laughing. You should give up your day job and go into comedy.

@Burnley123 I'm here 4 nights a week....5 pm until closing. Don't forget to tip your waitress.