Arguably the most inconvenient historical figure for liberals who push identity politics today.
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ElwoodBlues · M
Is anybody out there claiming we currently live in color blind society? Show of hands?? OK then, is [i]pretending[/i] to be color blind the best way to fix things???
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Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC).
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Black men who commit the same crimes as white men receive federal prison sentences that are, on average, nearly 20 percent longer, according to a new report on sentencing disparities from the United States Sentencing Commission (USSC).
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deadgerbil · 22-25
@ElwoodBlues I understand some of his arguments with regards to the elites, bc in a lot of situations, some of these center left people who vote Democrat have more in common with the conservatives than other people on the left. Common example would be California and how they value their property value more than the affordable housing they pretend to care about.
Unfortunately, the OP doesn't present these valid criticisms in an intellectually honest way. Lots of patience on your end.
Unfortunately, the OP doesn't present these valid criticisms in an intellectually honest way. Lots of patience on your end.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@deadgerbil First the market is run by demand. Secondly, keep in mind that California is [i]very[/i] red along the rural areas.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
I think you can only come to such a conclusion if you don't understand the point of so called Idpol and use MLK exclusivity as a source of out of context quotes as soundbites. For someone who claims not to be a Conservative you certainly make the exact same arguments.
And the rant about identity is strange since you make a point of engaging in it on your own profile. Seems like a lack of self awareness too.
And the rant about identity is strange since you make a point of engaging in it on your own profile. Seems like a lack of self awareness too.
ToastyPickles · T
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow What are the positive benefits of identity politics in your mind?
Has it brought people closer together over the years, or have people divided even further based on something as silly as skin color?
It is an ideology based on hierarchical division based on physical traits. Please explain how that will fix anything. Historically speaking, humankind has made this same mistake and it seems the left wants to keep repeating it. There can be no progress if we’re not all treated as equals.
I’m not sure what’s so controversial about this. You know.. true equality. That used to be what the left stood for.
Has it brought people closer together over the years, or have people divided even further based on something as silly as skin color?
It is an ideology based on hierarchical division based on physical traits. Please explain how that will fix anything. Historically speaking, humankind has made this same mistake and it seems the left wants to keep repeating it. There can be no progress if we’re not all treated as equals.
I’m not sure what’s so controversial about this. You know.. true equality. That used to be what the left stood for.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@ToastyPickles What gets labeled as "identity poltics" by reactionaries (almost exclusively right wingers) are those who oppose oppressive hierarchies based on what they were labeled.
Equality looks like oppression when you are accustomed to supremacy.
MLK spoke of a dream in this speech because he understood that is not the world we live in. Right wingers and I include you in this based on your politics like to gaslight people into pretending we do live in such a world.
Pretending for example the LGBTQ community can just hug it out and talk about mutual respect with bigots today is as idiotic and dishonest as claiming MLK could hug it out with the KKK in his day.
The hierarchy based divisions are a right wing concept and the foundation of right wing ideologies.
Those oppressed at the bottom raising a stink is the only thing that has ever led to progress. Your pretending not to understand this leads me to believe you are speaking in bad faith.
I will also point out this kind of argument largely only became an issue among insecure white cis hetero men suddenly feeling their position was being upset.
You also are making the claim the right makes that identity politics is only a thing on the left. First off nothing you mentioned here has anything to do with left wing politics.
And some of the most vocal identity politics activists are the right supported by an entire media empire basing their ideology on the idea that white hetero men are an endangered species being forced into extinction. Hell they are even taking it to the point of mainstreaming neo nazi "white genocide" conspiracies.
Quit pretending like every right wing reactionary that racism stopped after the civil war and that the US is a meritocracy (which is a dumb system anyway when you think it through).
MLK was also a socialist which hardly puts him in your right wing camp.
It is no accident he got shot when he started to talk about economic equality too.
Equality looks like oppression when you are accustomed to supremacy.
MLK spoke of a dream in this speech because he understood that is not the world we live in. Right wingers and I include you in this based on your politics like to gaslight people into pretending we do live in such a world.
Pretending for example the LGBTQ community can just hug it out and talk about mutual respect with bigots today is as idiotic and dishonest as claiming MLK could hug it out with the KKK in his day.
The hierarchy based divisions are a right wing concept and the foundation of right wing ideologies.
Those oppressed at the bottom raising a stink is the only thing that has ever led to progress. Your pretending not to understand this leads me to believe you are speaking in bad faith.
I will also point out this kind of argument largely only became an issue among insecure white cis hetero men suddenly feeling their position was being upset.
You also are making the claim the right makes that identity politics is only a thing on the left. First off nothing you mentioned here has anything to do with left wing politics.
And some of the most vocal identity politics activists are the right supported by an entire media empire basing their ideology on the idea that white hetero men are an endangered species being forced into extinction. Hell they are even taking it to the point of mainstreaming neo nazi "white genocide" conspiracies.
Quit pretending like every right wing reactionary that racism stopped after the civil war and that the US is a meritocracy (which is a dumb system anyway when you think it through).
MLK was also a socialist which hardly puts him in your right wing camp.
It is no accident he got shot when he started to talk about economic equality too.
ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
ToastyPickles · T
@ServantOfTheGoddess I’m far from being a conservative, but I’d argue he’s much more inconvenient to a modern day political movement that’s fixated on categorizing people into hierarchical groups based on race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. Identity politics has sadly become the backbone of the modern day democrat party. All of the core liberal values of today directly contradict what MLK believed.
ServantOfTheGoddess · 61-69, M
@ToastyPickles well not being American i don't have to answer for the Democratic party (or assess the accuracy of your portrayal). I agree with you that categorizing people into hierarchical groups is neither what i would like to see nor what i think Dr. King stood for.
smiler2012 · 56-60
{@toastypickles ] sadly as long as you have the ilks of donald j trump racial hatred champion of the christian republican party .people like martin luther kings world will never have ideolgy come true where all americans all embrace each other no more racial and ethnic hatred
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
smiler2012 · 56-60
@sunsporter1649 🤔we do not see things set in stone just because trump is racist you automatic think all coloured people hate him always exception to the rule
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
LeopoldBloom · M
Conservatives quote that line so often, you'd think it was the only thing MLK said. For some reason, you never hear these other quotes:
[quote]Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up.[/quote]
Or this one:
[quote]All of America’s wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation.[/quote]
And conservatives surely don't want to hear this one:
[quote]These are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wounds of a frail world, new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light. We in the West must support these revolutions.[/quote]
[quote]Whenever this issue of compensatory or preferential treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree, but he should ask for nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic. For it is obvious that if a man enters the starting line of a race three hundred years after another man, the first would have to perform some incredible feat in order to catch up.[/quote]
Or this one:
[quote]All of America’s wealth today could not adequately compensate its Negroes for his centuries of exploitation and humiliation.[/quote]
And conservatives surely don't want to hear this one:
[quote]These are revolutionary times. All over the globe men are revolting against old systems of exploitation and oppression, and out of the wounds of a frail world, new systems of justice and equality are being born. The shirtless and barefoot people of the land are rising up as never before. The people who sat in darkness have seen a great light. We in the West must support these revolutions.[/quote]
exchrist · 31-35
@LeopoldBloom it's coming
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@LeopoldBloom Some great classic Canadian music. Winnipeg was once known for great music and radical left wing movements.
It was a huge symbolic loss here when the communist party headquarters moved out of Point Douglas about 5 years ago.
It was a huge symbolic loss here when the communist party headquarters moved out of Point Douglas about 5 years ago.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
Interesting historical point. In the 1960s when MLK was holding marches and making speeches according to opinion polls at the time most whites believed racial equality was already achieved in the US and could not understand what MLK and company were complaining about. They were as out of touch with the reality as this post is today.
Graylight · 51-55, F
@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Are you sure about that? Many were happy with Separate But Equal, but few really believed anyone not even allowed to sit at the same restaurant counter was equal.
PicturesOfABetterTomorrow · 41-45, M
@Graylight Well national opinion polls would have included large parts of the country where the realities of Jim Crow would have been at best rumours. And alot of the violence that made national headlines started to get widespread attention as the backlash to the civil rights movement came about.
I doubt affluent white suburbia in the north knew what was going on in Alabama and Mississippi for example.
That would explain the cognitive dissonance at the national level anyway.
I doubt affluent white suburbia in the north knew what was going on in Alabama and Mississippi for example.
That would explain the cognitive dissonance at the national level anyway.
exchrist · 31-35
I'm betting the republicans are pretty pissed that their candidates character is so piss poor. And that' it is advice from a black man. Too bad really
sunsporter1649 · 70-79, M
@exchrist Slept with any chicom spies lately?
exchrist · 31-35
@sunsporter1649 no but one of them might be carrying my child lol
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
The mainstream killed Dr King for being a truth teller against war and capitalism. Our revolution wasn't successful. It's pending.
Tokenism is always part of the conservative schtick.
Tokenism is always part of the conservative schtick.