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Neoliberal = globalism = nazis

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All F votes, please explain how its not the same ideology, please. Thanks
BlueVeins · 22-25
Nazis want their country to military and political dominance over all others, and also to exterminate every ethnic group they dislike. Neoliberals want cooperation between countries, as well as peace and understanding between ethnic groups. Nazis favor autocracy, while neoliberals favor democracy. They're nearly polar opposites.
Burnley123 · 41-45, M
@zonavar68 Liberal is such a flaky term!
zonavar68 · 51-55, M
@BlueVeins Ah you're talking about Ing Soc and the Ministries of Truth, Peace, Love and Plenty. ;-)
ninalanyon · 61-69, T
@zonavar68 And in the UK the Liberal party is generally centrist.
Right wingers love to tell you that Nazi is short for "national socialism." But sometimes names can be misleading.

Is a sea horse an equine? NO!
is a cat fish a feline? NO!
Is a deviled egg satanic? NO!

Sometimes names can be misleading, so the smart thing to do is look at [i]behaviors[/i] and not try to learn everything from a name.

In Germany in the 1930s,
the Nazis bitterly opposed the Social Democrats;
the Nazis bitterly opposed the Socialists;
the Nazis bitterly opposed the Trade Unionists;
and the Nazis bitterly opposed the Communists.

When I say "bitterly opposed" it means the Nazis sent brownshirt thugs to disrupt rallies and fight in the streets against their political opponents. The Nazis were a reactionary party reacting against the left wing in Germany at the time. The Nazis built their platform on racism, nationalism, and fear of the foreign.

The Nazis, like you, @checkoutanytime, were anti- leftwing.
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
Nazis are a form of Fascism. Fascism is explicit in aborting "liberalism" in all it's forms. Neither original Italian Fascism, or any of it's derivates, are globalists, they are hardcore nationalists.

Liberalisms key core concepts are: freedom/liberty, rationality, individuality, believe in progress, sociability, consensus and limited power. It's a product of the enlightenment. While Fascist regimes are rooted in romanticism. Romanticism, is a counter reaction to the enlightenment.

There was no freedom/liberty under fascism, because it's totalitarian by definition.
Rationality was replaced by the subjective experiences and emotions of the nation.
Individuality was replaced by the nations' interests
Sociability doesn't excist, that's why Fascist regimes waged wars agains the citizens of the country that they were trying to annex for their own national concept. Not to mention that most of them were extremely racist.
And wel... if you believe that the governement in fascist governement had limited power, was all equiped with checks and balances and wasn't in full control... then you might have missed that Fascists are autoritarians.

What a stupid equation to make. But hey, it's kinda tough to define fascism when you perceive it as an "evil ideology" and it's content and definition strikes so close to home.
Do you remember a president named Ronald Reagan?

Reagan preached that government needed to get out of the way of business, that businessmen knew best how to run their businesses and regulation was nothing but a problem. And Reagan's acolytes taught that the purpose of a corporation was to maximize value for shareholders.

Turns out that for most American businessmen, the best way to run their businesses is to close domestic factories and offshore as much labor as possible - this lowers costs & prices and maximizes value for shareholders. And when businesses compete to lower prices by offshoring as much as possible, this practice is known as "capitalism."

And that, my friend, is globalization. Businesses being efficient is globalization. And governments letting businesses do that is what hollows out a nation's working class, leaving fewer and fewer people able to afford those wonderful products manufactured overseas. And any solutions to the offshoring of manufacturing involve government regulation. LOTS of government regulation.

SUMMARY: Businesses lowering costs ==> globalization.
Pretty sure the countries Hitler invaded below did not consider the Nazis "nationalists."
Czechoslovakia
Austria
Poland
Denmark
Norway
Belgium
Netherlands
France
Great Britian (Channel Islands)
Soviet Union
Italy
justanothername · 51-55, M
@BizSuitStacy Hitler didn’t invade Great Britain. The Luftwaffe bombed the hell out of London but they never actually invaded the UK.
@justanothername notice it says the Channel Islands
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout That is what you call evidence you can’t argue with,
Graylight · 51-55, F
That you'd even think this is a discussion whose introduction is too complicated for SW would get reasonable answers is beyond me.

“Neoliberalism” is now generally thought to label the philosophical view that a society’s political and economic institutions should be robustly liberal and capitalist, but supplemented by a constitutionally limited democracy and a modest welfare state. Recent work on neoliberalism, thus understood, shows this to be a coherent and distinctive political philosophy (https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/neoliberalism/). Essentially, neoliberal is what this nation is.

Nazism, as the volumes upon volumes written about it imply, is a subject whose understanding won't be served in encapsulated form here. But if you'd like to begin right where the Nazi party began, let's have a robust discussion about [i]voelkisch Weltanschauung [/i](Walter Laqueur, historian of Europe and the Middle East and teacher at Brandeis, Georgetown, Harvard, Johns Hopkins and the U. of Chicago), which is the very root system of the party.

So no, False. It's not that your equation doesn't add up to the right answer - it's that your equation makes no sense at all.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Globalism has nothing to do with the Nazis.
Globalism has evolved as a form of manufacturing diversification meeting the needs of western consumerism.
ididntknow · 51-55, M
@justanothername it goes a lot deeper than that
@justanothername Yep, he is all for protecting their right to be born, but he certainly doesn't want to have to pay to raise them
justanothername · 51-55, M
@independentone pretty typical of a hypocritical angry white male. They are all about the fun but none of the responsibility.
It’s what I would typically call a total fuckwit.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
Neoliberalism = globalism. Just the words the left and right use for the same idea.

Nazis are nationalists. Entirely different thing. You think the Nazis wanted free trade, big world banks, and for their manufacturing to be done in China?
@CountScrofula as el'ites yes, basically that was their course of actions' wasn't it?
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@checkoutanytime Can you tell me what you think neoliberalism is? Because we're not talking about the same thing. Without using the word 'elite' because every modern society has been ruled by elites.
4meAndyou · F
I think the neo-liberals are totalitarians and authoritarians, who will not allow differences of opinion from their own.
zonavar68 · 51-55, M
Vin53 · M
What exactly are modern day Nazis supposedly? What kind of Nazi things to do they want? No Jews? World domination? What exactly?
@Vin53 The word "Nazi" is like the word "WOKE." It had a meaning at one point, today it means nothing.
Human1000 · M
Yeah, the Nazis were famous for their advocacy of a low tariff international trade system backed up by the free flow of capital accords borders.
SW-User
Oh FFS ...

You can say a banana is purple until you are blue in the face, but that does not make it so

But I will play along just a tiny bit ... NEOliberalism in the context* I typically associate it with is a more recent variant of the left that is just simply more centrist, and more amenable to privatizing things ... you know, sort of like the right wing is fond of .... and since nazis are right wing, ok, fine, neoliberalism is just slightly closer to the right wing

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* as one example of this context:
https://www.wired.com/story/germany-telecoms-far-right-unleashed/
@SW-User 😴🥱
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@Burnley123 nasis like you did invade all levels of our highest offices, dont you know, Mr. Know it all?
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