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Afghanistan is a disaster

[image deleted]See the pictures of Afghanistan and hear the news and it’s more and more of a disaster. It’s due to the Biden ministration total bungling and it will lead to more and more terrorist attacks in the western and especially in Europe. How are earth did such a bungling old man - he doesn’t appear to know the time of day - get to lead a nation in a democracy? I hope the gullible people who voted for him and who are misled by the media realise what they have done in putting such an incompetent man in charge and so many lives at risk
That’s crap. Last year Trump scheduled a withdrawal of our troops from Afghanistan and you folks cheered him on. Biden has tried to honor that date, so you’re [b]hypocrites[/b] to complain now, of course.
Neither of them initially sent our troops [b]in there[/b], which was a mistake just like going into Iraq was. But even with that, we were not going to stay there indefinitely, were we ? Our military spent [b]20 years[/b] and trillions of dollars training Afghan soldiers. How is it that the Taliban is already back in charge ? Maybe the majority of the people [b]wanted[/b] them there and [b]we[/b] misunderstood ? 😳
@Grvstu So in other words you’re a foreigner with no real clue [b]what’s[/b]going on over here. We’ve just gotten rid of racist right-wingers that was dividing our country—the last thing we need are right-wingers from someplace else putting [b]their[/b] oar in. 🙄
Grvstu · 70-79, F
I’ve got more clue than the clueless liberals in America who believe everything your left-wing press churn out . We read your papers and can’t believe the Idiocracy they say. Like what’s happening in Afghanistan he’s totally misinformed because they want to keep the left happy. But you are the sort of believe anything anyway. Get a British paper you find out what is really happening. Never mind, keep being clueless@bijouxbroussard
MartinII · 70-79, M
@bijouxbroussard Actually I agree with you on the subject of Afghanistan. But I think your references to foreigners are absolutely disgraceful.
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Sure, as president, Biden [i]could [/i]have decided to reneg the treaty Donald Trump signed last year with the Taliban to pull all American troops out of Afghanistan by May 31st this year (pretty sure that was the original date agreed upon by the Trump administration and the Taliban.. or was it April... would have to look it up... it got pushed back, obviously, because it would have been even more rushed). Yes, as president, Biden could have attempted to renegotiate. But as the leader of America, the same America that Trump represented by signing the treaty last year -- and a treaty is an oath with a clearly stated intention to follow through, make no mistake -- had Biden done an about-face and failed to abide by the terms agreed upon, then the Taliban would have been within their rights to 1) call America a liar & a bad actor, and 2) dump the promises they made in that treaty, too, and then the situation would have been even worse.

It was a bad choice that had to be made, no matter which way it went.

I would point out that Bush and Cheney were the ones who got us into Afghanistan in the first place (and all based on a lie -- the 911 terrorists were from Saudi Arabia, not Afghanistan, and Bin Laden's source of power and money remained in Saudi Arabia even long after he set up shop for a while in the mountains). We should never have been there, and we certainly should never have tried to "nation-build" there for 20 years. It was LONG past time to leave.

Could the leaving process have been smoother? Absolutely. Both administrations -- Trump's and Biden's -- should have heeded the warnings of the CIA and other intelligence agencies. Trump had a long track record of completely ignoring the CIA, but Biden should have listened, too; both presidents were warned that the moment America pulled its troops out, Afghanistan would begin to fall to the Taliban (and come on, we all knew that would happen; we've known it for more than a decade). The CIA's projections of how long it would take ranged from 18 months on the optimistic side, to a matter of days on the pessimistic. It took a few weeks. It was fast, and shocked some people, but didn't shock others.

It is what it is. Had Trump finished enacting the treaty he signed with the Taliban, and pulled America out before his presidency ended, I daresay it would have been even more rushed, and probably even more catastrophic. He had ordered his generals to do it, but they pointed out the logistics of it all, and by then, Donald had his hands full with trying to stage a coup.
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@PatKirby Kinda like what happened to Trump, hey. Obama has lived rent-free in his head for years. And Donald lost a long time ago, but doesn’t have the courage to admit it — because then he would be one step closer to landing in court going to prison for tax fraud, sexual assault, insurrection, etc etc etc etc! Lol.

You are just too easy, kid, lol. Keep setting yourself up :-D <3 This is fun.
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PatKirby · M
[@DarbyOWhine]
Get over yourself. Your solipsistic arguments lack foundation. You're just not that important.
PatKirby · M
Thanks to the Leftists that Selected Biden to be the Resident of the White House. They ran a good dog and pony show but when it came time to actually govern, they don't know what the bloody hell they're doing and you're witnessing the results.

It's not over yet...
justanothername · 51-55, M
How did Biden get in? That’s easy. He was voted in purely in because he’s Not Trump.
Grvstu · 70-79, F
No fraud in the voting. Just a load of gullible people voting for a senile old man and awoke administration who are incompetent@justanothername
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Grvstu he may well be incompetent but the majority obviously preferred slow moving incompetence over an ego driven antagonist who’s main driver was to split the country in two.
justanothername · 51-55, M
@Grvstu I do see change coming in next years mid terms but it may not be what you expect.
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Grvstu · 70-79, F
You have obviously swallowed the liberal media’s hype. I am talking about the total mishandling of the withdrawal by this incompetant administration which can only talk in term of political correctness. Hopeless! @SW-User
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Grvstu · 70-79, F
The whole shambles was Biden and his incompetent regime’s fault. Anyone who believes anything else is a simpleton and has been misled by the liberal media in America @frankietime
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WalterF · 70-79, M
All those dead people who voted for him must be spinning in their graves.
PatKirby · M
@WalterF

Biden thanking his voters...

PatKirby · M
HannahSky · F
@Grvstu you must a dozen other accounts
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Another typical moronic reply. Back to your hole@HannahSky
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We would have lost even if we didn't leave pooorly jean. if we'd stayed when we actually did lose they'd have even more us hardware.

if only you were willing to face how badly the war was managed.
Grvstu · 70-79, F
That is a stupid comment makes you look very foolish. I have not been elected to run a country and have not got people around me who are supposed to be experts. Such comments are absolutely ridiculous and make you look an absolute fool@BetweenKittensandRiots
@Grvstu only to fools. if people think i'm a fool reading it they are stupid.
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Look in the mirror and you see one@BetweenKittensandRiots
[c=359E00]time to burn europe to crisp! BOOOOMMM!![/c]
@Grvstu [c=359E00]bring the western into it's downfall!![/c]
Grvstu · 70-79, F
Maybe the world will end too@YukikoAmagi
@Grvstu [c=359E00]not a chance[/c]
Wolf90 · M
There is blame to go around unfortunately. Both this and the last administration bear some responsibility for this. Trump did indeed set the withdrawal in motion and undercut the Afghan government by negotiating with the Taliban behind their backs. That isn't in dispute. With that said, the current administration should have been better prepared to get everyone out who needed to be taken out. They did extend the deadline but it clearly wasn't enough.
justanothername · 51-55, M
Really? Yah think? What gave it away?
Allelse · 36-40, M
Afghanistan a disaster? Nothing new there.
ineedadrink · 51-55, M
Afghanistan has been a disaster in the near term ever since Bush diverted our attention to the shambles in Iraq and put it on the back burner. In the longer term since Reagan armed them to the teeth to deal with the Soviets with no plan for what to do after the Soviets left.
senghenydd · M
Why-did-this-happen.
It was always going to end like this regardless of who sits in Westminster or the Whitehouse. When you enter into a war with no political or military endgame in mind it's never gonna work.
Khenpal1 · M
Civil war now , major war within 3-5 years time . Russia , India and China can't have wild central Asia.
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@Grvstu You clearly won’t listen to reason, no matter how it’s presented. Again, good luck with that attitude.
Harriet03 · 41-45, F
It won't be a democracy much longer if the GOP gets its way!
Zonuss · 41-45, M
It has been for centuries. What else is new. Blame all the presidents.
Thats if you have a brain. 🙂
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Oster1 · M
@JohnOinger As if you never do!, Loll 🤣

 
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