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JoeyFoxx · 51-55, M
Socialism won’t work without a sense of community and accountability.
A friend of mine grew up in a commune. While aspects of it were great, he said it was a cult and that people hid from their accountability, using the communal aspect as an excuse.
For socialism to be effective at all, one needs strong and empathetic leadership. There isn’t a lot of that in the world right now.
Pure capitalism needs to be checked, but socialism is both extreme and unrealistic.
As a society we need to set standards for education, healthcare and commerce and hold everyone (individuals and businesses) accountable for those standards, not with punishment but by removing rewards.
A friend of mine grew up in a commune. While aspects of it were great, he said it was a cult and that people hid from their accountability, using the communal aspect as an excuse.
For socialism to be effective at all, one needs strong and empathetic leadership. There isn’t a lot of that in the world right now.
Pure capitalism needs to be checked, but socialism is both extreme and unrealistic.
As a society we need to set standards for education, healthcare and commerce and hold everyone (individuals and businesses) accountable for those standards, not with punishment but by removing rewards.
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gol979 · 41-45, M
@jveryoral so I'm a government employees espousing socialist policies and about reducing the military budget?? Please show me a government employee who is saying that. I wouldn't get near government with these ideals.
Whereas you, who doesn't want a bigger government is happy with an unjustified, bloated military budget and won't even consider a $325 million military budget (Russia's is $44 billion) but want to remove USELESS social safety nets......that's Orwellian dude.
Whereas you, who doesn't want a bigger government is happy with an unjustified, bloated military budget and won't even consider a $325 million military budget (Russia's is $44 billion) but want to remove USELESS social safety nets......that's Orwellian dude.
hippyjoe1955 · 61-69, M
Nothing about socialism is appealing. It is economic and social poison. AS the saying goes "you can vote your way into socialism but you will have to shoot your way out". It is little more than theft on a grand scale. With its 'subjects' being ever poorer animals kept in a run down zoo. It destroys the souls of men and women.
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
@gol979 Yeah, you just cannot comprehend. It's alright.
SouthernBoxer · 31-35, M
@gol979 Oh, you're still here? Just because you cannot comprehend doesn't mean there's nothing there.
QuixoticSoul · 41-45, M
gol979 · 41-45, M
@QuixoticSoul I watched CNN, the supposedly liberal and progressive news channel and they were demonizing all socialism and all on board with the imminent or at least wanted invasion of venezuela.
I see a lot of people on here arguing about trumpkins and c!linton, democrats v republicans. The fact is, that barring a few identity issues (trans etc), they are the same. Did you see that video of Dianne Feinstein brushing off the kids about climate change.......she may as well be a denier because they are going to take the same action.....fuck all. She should be ashamed of herself for how she spoke to her constituents
I see a lot of people on here arguing about trumpkins and c!linton, democrats v republicans. The fact is, that barring a few identity issues (trans etc), they are the same. Did you see that video of Dianne Feinstein brushing off the kids about climate change.......she may as well be a denier because they are going to take the same action.....fuck all. She should be ashamed of herself for how she spoke to her constituents
gol979 · 41-45, M
Addressing inequality, putting workers in charge of the production line, regulations on capital, nationalisation of natural monopolies.....no, it's disgusting 😉
gol979 · 41-45, M
@IreneInBoots you're conflating socialism with something else there.
If Venezuela is socialist why haven't they taken people's houses away??
Not going to acknowledge the economic sanctions that are being imposed on Venezuela? Or just going to keep using that country to bash whatever ideas you don't like without addressing that fundamental issue?
If Venezuela is socialist why haven't they taken people's houses away??
Not going to acknowledge the economic sanctions that are being imposed on Venezuela? Or just going to keep using that country to bash whatever ideas you don't like without addressing that fundamental issue?
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CopperCicada · M
From what I see, people are either overly attached to, or adverse to, either free market or statist solutions. It seems sensible. In a time and place are there reasonable market solutions-- or not?
Demanding only free market or only statist solutions is like having a tool box with only phillips screw drivers because one likes those. Good luck with that.
By the time statist socialist solutions are on the table-- it's long a signal that the market is not providing solutions.
Healthcare is an example. I have some means, insurance-- and care is ridiculous. It's inefficient, costly, poor quality. Even for services paid in cash. And a great many people I know don't even have that.
So. OK. Market-- step up. Can't do it? OK. Let's see a socialist solution. Really don't like that?-- OK, markets, step up.
Demanding only free market or only statist solutions is like having a tool box with only phillips screw drivers because one likes those. Good luck with that.
By the time statist socialist solutions are on the table-- it's long a signal that the market is not providing solutions.
Healthcare is an example. I have some means, insurance-- and care is ridiculous. It's inefficient, costly, poor quality. Even for services paid in cash. And a great many people I know don't even have that.
So. OK. Market-- step up. Can't do it? OK. Let's see a socialist solution. Really don't like that?-- OK, markets, step up.
MarmeeMarch · M
What would be the incentive for people to work hard and achieve more if it is going to be "social" ed away from them.
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midnightsun · 26-30, M
BlackBlossom · F
its the smart thing to do... but people are to dumb for it and forcing them into it isnt working out either
GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
@BlackBlossom Proving what point? That only smart people support socialism?
LonelyMan · M
Absolutely not! A few people in power have all the money, and everyone else just gets by on gov't handouts- see Cuba, or Venezuela- where they don't even get by. Ask the people in what used to be E Germany if they would like to go back?!
Budwick · 70-79, M
No.
Socialism = slavery
When government controls what you can / can not have - they control YOU.
Socialism = slavery
When government controls what you can / can not have - they control YOU.
CopperCicada · M
@Budwick All governments control what the citizens can have. Socialist or non.
I can't grow cannabis, peyote, mushrooms. I can't import or breed certain animals and plants. I can't be off grid in my state. I can't broadcast in certain parts of the radio spectrum at all, or without a license. I can't drive a vehicle or live in a dwelling that doesn't meet certain specifications. I can't sell raw milk. I can't not get vaccinated if I want certain jobs. I can't kill certain animals, as pests, or for sport. I can't burn leaves or garbage. I can't discharge certain things into the water or into the air.
Sure. that's government control.
None of that is socialism as none of it has to do with government control of production.
I can't grow cannabis, peyote, mushrooms. I can't import or breed certain animals and plants. I can't be off grid in my state. I can't broadcast in certain parts of the radio spectrum at all, or without a license. I can't drive a vehicle or live in a dwelling that doesn't meet certain specifications. I can't sell raw milk. I can't not get vaccinated if I want certain jobs. I can't kill certain animals, as pests, or for sport. I can't burn leaves or garbage. I can't discharge certain things into the water or into the air.
Sure. that's government control.
None of that is socialism as none of it has to do with government control of production.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@JoeyFoxx [quote]Is not the government in the US our own government?
I understand your point. I truly do.
But shouldn’t there be a way to hold the government accountable to us?[/quote]
Yes.
Good.
Generally speaking VOTING holds government officials responsible. I think we'll soon see other ways government officials are held accountable when all the bad players in the stupid Russia investigation are indicted.
I understand your point. I truly do.
But shouldn’t there be a way to hold the government accountable to us?[/quote]
Yes.
Good.
Generally speaking VOTING holds government officials responsible. I think we'll soon see other ways government officials are held accountable when all the bad players in the stupid Russia investigation are indicted.
Budwick · 70-79, M
@CopperCicada
Shopping in a socialist country. Plus, no one can afford to buy what IS there!
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Cry me a river Copper.
Shopping in a socialist country. Plus, no one can afford to buy what IS there!
Cry me a river Copper.
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[c=#359E00]i like how socialism try to close the gap between poor and rich people. That concept is like an alien to capitalism[/c]
I like the motivation behind it, but I'm not so thrilled with some of the side effects.
katielass · F
No, I'm not a retard.
SevIsPamprinYouAlways · 56-60, F
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GunSmoke9 · 56-60, M
@SevIsPamprinYouAlways Did Jesus want to take over means of production? That is also part of socialism, government controlling businesses, and people.