@TheMorningsStar Seems like the fight's all about the arrests, then, but if it was wrong under Obama, or wrong under Trump, or ok under both, it just shouldn't matter, IMO.

@TheMorningsStar Whilst Obama did deport more people than Bush, i think the problem is that there wasn't such a hateful climate surrounding it at the time. Obama was also a lot better with his words, whilst Trump tends to be purposefully inflammatory.

@SatanBurger

Except it isn't false as even your quoted section admits it happened under Obama... True, Obama decided not to enforce border control as often as Trump, but so what? These people are crossing the border ILLEGALLY, and so Trump has every right to enforce the law on these criminals.

[quote]The issue I see with ripping children away from their families is that it creates a vulnerable situation for them when they should be with their mothers. Our American system exploits tons of people, one of those is foster care system. Foster care is terrible, with reports of foster children being abused in multiple homes. Sometimes the birth mother of the house will treat her "born" children better and treat the foster kid bad because many do it for a daily check. [/quote]

Yes. They should be with their mothers, I agree. The issue with illegals specifically is the citizenship. That’s where the parents had poor judgement. And yes, the foster system needs major adjusting. Those kids deserve way better than a family who’s in it for the money.

[quote]It's basically creating drama where none should be in the first place, if something happens to those kids, it is Trump and his supporters fault.[/quote]

This is where I disagree. Clinton was doing this before trump. Obama was doing this before trump. Now that trump is doing it it is facing backlash(there’s debate as to why that is, because he’s republican, because he says stupid things etc) the drama comes in because of that citizenship issue. When the parents hold a different citizenship than their children’s dren. It’s a tough one when it come to morality but pretty simple when you only look at the legal side of it. If something happens to those kids whoever was in charge of watching over that child will be held accountable. It’s their responsibility to make sure that they are taken care of. Same thing as like when a foster kid runs away the foster parent is held accountable. I hope I make sense, I’m trying not to drag it out more than necessary for the conversation.

[quote]As for legal immigration, it is a joke because people exploit them whether they are legal or illegal (which ironically goes back to America's slavery days.) I love how people act like they'll treat immigrants better if they were somehow legal but that's all lies. They like to sugar coat things, the truth of the matter is they'll hate them if they are legal or not.

Not that the following links have anything to do with this but there are news of corrupt officials taking bribes and raping women at the border and the like.
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This is another issue that should definitely be fixed. It’s not quite the same topic as separating the kids but it’s actually one(in my opinion) that should probably be focused on more, more should be done to prevent this kind of treatment and more should be done in regard to the consequences of these acts. A slap on the wrist is not good enough, there needs to be some serious repercussions.

The links you posted were very informative and sadly this is not the first I’ve heard about that kind of thing. That is exactly what I’m talking about when I say our system or process for legalization desperately needs to be fixed. This is not just our problem, it’s theirs too. When immigrants try to come here legally and are met with a bunch of bullshit we are not being fair and we are lying to them, and that needs to change if we want the whole system to actually work like it’s supposed to.

The government needs to fix their shit so that immigrants can get theirs in order. But at the same time, they can’t just come here because they want without documentation and such, we have no idea who these people are without it and some of them are truly here for horrible things. That is what ideally we are tying to prevent.

@SatanBurger

@SatanBurger also, I want to point out that I appreciate the actual substance of your reply rather than the immaturity of some of the other commenters, even if we don’t agree on everything.

@GlitterBug
I don’t blame you.
Running away is best for you.

@SomeLikeItHot 😘😘😘

@GlitterBug
Cute opposition...oh well 😘😘😘

@SomeLikeItHot

Yes, let's also get rid of Social Services, as they never do any good when it comes to taking care of children, right?

@SomeLikeItHot

Are you a drug smuggler? A member of MS13?

This is about the safety of the children. Per McAllen border patrol, most of the arriving children are unaccompanied or have insufficient evidence of being a family. Many were separated from their parents before crossing into the US. Should the border patrol just hand these children over to be exploited?

@Heartlander
Don’t be an ass.
I served this country for people to have opinions, even stupid ones like yours.

@OggggO Was that the same poll that showed the hildabeeste winning 385-0?

@sunsporter1649 Can you repeat that in English?

@sunsporter1649 I know they do, it's what they were indoctrinated with and it needs to be called out. It's like giving your last bottle of formula to someone while your own baby is crying from hunger. It's just insane. No one in the world puts everyone else ahead of their own and we're not gonna do it either.

@Heartlander Why do you think that I ignore those other injustices?

If you like, I can point to many other fuck-ups on behalf of CBP. But I'm sure you've heard of those as well. I commented about only this incident to stay on topic with MonarchButter's post - and to answer your question honestly.

@hlpflwthat No one objects to holding the Border Patrol's feet to the fire. But please don't use the image of a crying child to distract from the colossal mess at the border.

I've walked through those cage-like structures dozens of times. It's sweltering heat in south Texas and chain-link walls facility air circulation.

Put the demands on congress to put together a reasonable border policy that takes away the incentive for drug thugs, human traffickers and other criminals from exploiting children and the disenfranchised in Mexico and Central America. Congress needs to stop playing partisan politics and do it NOW!

I don't expect you to feel the same as I do. But a crying child is not a distraction to me. A crying child is a tragedy.

@Gh0s1

[quote]If that was my family i'd want the best for them, and to see them ripped away from me in trying to do that would be devastating beyond anything we'd know. [/quote]

If that was my grandchild, I'd be thankful that the border patrol protected them from drug smugglers or sex traffickers and were more concerned for the safety of the child than for the right of drug thugs to exploit my grandchild.

@Heartlander I'll take that into consideration, thanks for the insight. I do mean that.

@Gh0s1

[quote]children's playgrounds don't separate those from the ones they love though, its comparing something else to something that sounds innocent to make a point.
I just can't agree with this kind of practice.
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Most responsible child care operations put the interest of the child first and scrutinizes contact from others, even people who say they are the parents.

50 years+ ago a child was kidnapped from our school and murdered by an adult pretending to be the parent.

@Jackaloftheazuresand Then one must question whether you’ve seen the photos.

@OggggO not imprisonment

@sunsporter1649 We'll let you know just as soon as he either does or reveals the next incredible horror/embarrassment.

@OggggO And all this time I thought it was the media cooking up all that crap.

@sunsporter1649 Pretty impressive if they are, getting all those heartbreaking photos, damning quotes, and even getting him to post massive lies and pathetic insults on his twitter account, just so they can have stories.