You weren’t raised right if you’re response to imprisoned children is “they’re illegal aliens”.
We don’t have ideological differences, you lack morality..
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GlitterBug · 22-25, F
Well. Their parents shouldn’t have brought them here. They’re not illegal, their parents are or they’d have gone with their parents. Can’t leave the kids by themselves so gotta find something else to do with them. They’re not being ‘imprisoned’ thats ridiculous. They’re being put in a safe place where they can’t run off to go find mommy.
ScrewThisImDone · 26-30, F
@GlitterBug At least someone in this comment thread knows what they're talking about.
CountScrofula · 41-45, M
@GlitterBug > They’re not being ‘imprisoned’ that's ridiculous.
"I'm not robbing you, I'm simply relocating your possessions."
"I'm not robbing you, I'm simply relocating your possessions."
MissPriscillaPrim · 70-79, T
@GlitterBug @ScrewThisImDone What do you two know about history, or horrid conditions in poorer countries, many of which were directly caused by atrocities of the bullying US... Writing what you do, I have to wonder if you know young'uns know anything about real life.
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
@MissPriscillaPrim quite a bit. I am 100% not saying that the current system is perfect, there are things to improve on but actually enforcing the laws in place is just a step in fixing it. Seems tough but really it should’ve been enforced from the start.
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
@MissPriscillaPrim if you actually think that I’m wrong shoot me a message and explain it for me. Maybe I’m missing something. But don’t judge my real life experience when you know nothing about me but a single opinion.
MissPriscillaPrim · 70-79, T
I won't PM you. And I wouldn't dream of judging you the way you're judging suffering parents and children. I won't be silent when I find folks like you spouting some dangerously ignorant opinions.
Here's a very good recent article from the Atlantic Monthly... for everyone's benefit. I'd be pleasantly surprised if you have any interest in reading it -- could happen.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/extinguishing-the-beacon-of-america/562880
Here's a very good recent article from the Atlantic Monthly... for everyone's benefit. I'd be pleasantly surprised if you have any interest in reading it -- could happen.
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/extinguishing-the-beacon-of-america/562880
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
@MissPriscillaPrim I’m not really judging them. Only stating a fact. I will read it, and I’ll let you know if my view changes based on that article. I’ll also look up the credibility.
Northwest · M
@GlitterBug
I am not going to insult you, by pretending that you believe what you just wrote, but I guess if you think that telling kids/parents, that they're taking them for showers (kind of like what they Nazis used to tell people, as they led them to the gas chambers), and then flying some to Texas and some to Seattle, is the same as 'we want them in a safe place, so they won't hurt themselves as they try to find mommy'
One of our local congresswomen, and the governor, visited the Seattle detention center, and spoke to some of the women, who were flown in form Texas.
They’re being put in a safe place where they can’t run off to go find mommy.
I am not going to insult you, by pretending that you believe what you just wrote, but I guess if you think that telling kids/parents, that they're taking them for showers (kind of like what they Nazis used to tell people, as they led them to the gas chambers), and then flying some to Texas and some to Seattle, is the same as 'we want them in a safe place, so they won't hurt themselves as they try to find mommy'
One of our local congresswomen, and the governor, visited the Seattle detention center, and spoke to some of the women, who were flown in form Texas.
MissPriscillaPrim · 70-79, T
@GlitterBug That's reasonable, and I apologize for my hyperbole calling you judgmental. But there's a growing dangerous belief that anyone deemed outside the law deserves outright cruel treatment.
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
Look guys. All I’m saying is we have laws for a reason. Illegal immigrants are illegal for a reason. I’m not saying the deserve cruelty and I’m not saying I know why they came here. I’m saying that they shouldn’t be here without documentation. That’s to keep us safe, we have no idea who those people are without those papers. The issue with the kids is that those kids are often US citizens which means they are not Mexican citizens, can’t go to Mexico but the parents can’t stay here.
I think the majority of immigrants would never have had a problem if the process to become a citizen was how it should be, which is not waiting 30 years to get here.
The government is not torturing anyone or sending them to friggin gas chambers.
When you separate kids from their parents it can create whole new issues so the goal is to avoid that as well as not loose track of the kids we end up having to put somewhere. Think of how awful it would be as a parent to be separated from your kid, pretty sirentou understand that. Now thing how awful it would be if nobody can find their children, if our government was so irresponsible as to misplace those children. That’s why they’re doing it the way they are. There are no cages, no cuddle prods, anyone hurting those kids or the parents even without an actual reason(like they were fighting them) should be out of that job.
The parents should have thought about this beforehand, and so it’s their fault if they get separated.
That doesn’t mean they deserve to be treated as anything other than human.
I’m not a bad person for having this opinion and I’m not dumb because I’m young. I’m not cruel or judgemental for it and I don’t think enforcing the law means everyone gets to shit talk the president for doing so, regardless of who the president may be. We have laws to keep people safe.
If you bothered to read that whole thing that’s awesome, but I’m pretty much done with the conversation at this point, it’s getting somewhat redundant and annoying trying to defend myself when I’ve done nothing wrong
I think the majority of immigrants would never have had a problem if the process to become a citizen was how it should be, which is not waiting 30 years to get here.
The government is not torturing anyone or sending them to friggin gas chambers.
When you separate kids from their parents it can create whole new issues so the goal is to avoid that as well as not loose track of the kids we end up having to put somewhere. Think of how awful it would be as a parent to be separated from your kid, pretty sirentou understand that. Now thing how awful it would be if nobody can find their children, if our government was so irresponsible as to misplace those children. That’s why they’re doing it the way they are. There are no cages, no cuddle prods, anyone hurting those kids or the parents even without an actual reason(like they were fighting them) should be out of that job.
The parents should have thought about this beforehand, and so it’s their fault if they get separated.
That doesn’t mean they deserve to be treated as anything other than human.
I’m not a bad person for having this opinion and I’m not dumb because I’m young. I’m not cruel or judgemental for it and I don’t think enforcing the law means everyone gets to shit talk the president for doing so, regardless of who the president may be. We have laws to keep people safe.
If you bothered to read that whole thing that’s awesome, but I’m pretty much done with the conversation at this point, it’s getting somewhat redundant and annoying trying to defend myself when I’ve done nothing wrong
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@GlitterBug The issue I see with ripping children away from their families is that it creates a vulnerable situation for them when they should be with their mothers. Our American system exploits tons of people, one of those is foster care system. Foster care is terrible, with reports of foster children being abused in multiple homes. Sometimes the birth mother of the house will treat her "born" children better and treat the foster kid bad because many do it for a daily check.
It's basically creating drama where none should be in the first place, if something happens to those kids, it is Trump and his supporters fault.
As for legal immigration, it is a joke because people exploit them whether they are legal or illegal (which ironically goes back to America's slavery days.) I love how people act like they'll treat immigrants better if they were somehow legal but that's all lies. They like to sugar coat things, the truth of the matter is they'll hate them if they are legal or not.
Not that the following links have anything to do with this but there are news of corrupt officials taking bribes and raping women at the border and the like.
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7024483/labor-trafficking-immigrants-exploitation-forced-us-agriculture-domestic-servants-hotel-workers
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7024483/labor-trafficking-immigrants-exploitation-forced-us-agriculture-domestic-servants-hotel-workers
It's basically creating drama where none should be in the first place, if something happens to those kids, it is Trump and his supporters fault.
As for legal immigration, it is a joke because people exploit them whether they are legal or illegal (which ironically goes back to America's slavery days.) I love how people act like they'll treat immigrants better if they were somehow legal but that's all lies. They like to sugar coat things, the truth of the matter is they'll hate them if they are legal or not.
Not that the following links have anything to do with this but there are news of corrupt officials taking bribes and raping women at the border and the like.
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7024483/labor-trafficking-immigrants-exploitation-forced-us-agriculture-domestic-servants-hotel-workers
By the time the immigrant arrives in the United States, she finds out most of what she's been told is a lie. Instead of a green card, she receives a restrictive, temporary work visa. Instead of nursing, she'll be working as a domestic servant. Her passport and work papers are locked away, she's not allowed to leave the house, and money is taken out of her paycheck for housing and food. Her employers remind her that if she tries to run away, they'll make sure she gets deported.
Cases like these are surprisingly common in the United States — although no one knows exactly how many people are affected. Researchers have estimated that there are thousands of forced laborers in agriculture alone. But labor trafficking is widespread in other industries too, including domestic labor, construction, restaurants, and hotels. And the victims can come from all around the world. Some even have graduate degrees.
The issue gets little attention from the government. Law-enforcement officials and policymakers pay a lot of attention to sex trafficking, but they focus less on men and women who are being forced, intimidated, or defrauded into staying in exploitative jobs. That makes it easy for unscrupulous employers to keep workers locked up and hidden away — particularly immigrants who don't speak English and can be threatened with the loss of their legal status.
Cases like these are surprisingly common in the United States — although no one knows exactly how many people are affected. Researchers have estimated that there are thousands of forced laborers in agriculture alone. But labor trafficking is widespread in other industries too, including domestic labor, construction, restaurants, and hotels. And the victims can come from all around the world. Some even have graduate degrees.
The issue gets little attention from the government. Law-enforcement officials and policymakers pay a lot of attention to sex trafficking, but they focus less on men and women who are being forced, intimidated, or defrauded into staying in exploitative jobs. That makes it easy for unscrupulous employers to keep workers locked up and hidden away — particularly immigrants who don't speak English and can be threatened with the loss of their legal status.
https://www.vox.com/2014/10/22/7024483/labor-trafficking-immigrants-exploitation-forced-us-agriculture-domestic-servants-hotel-workers
Many abusive employers understand this dynamic all too well, and they use the police as enforcers. The BuzzFeed article alleges that the owner of the Louisiana crawfish farm, David West, recruited the police to help him chase down a pair of his workers who were on a double date with two men from the area:
As Sgt. Robert McGee later wrote in a police report, West said that Valdez and Gonzalez were "two of his girls," and he asked the cops to haul the women in and "scare the girls."
The police brought the women, who were both in their twenties, to the station house. McGee told them they couldn’t leave West’s farm without permission, warning that they could wind up dead. To drive home the point, an officer later testified, McGee stood over Valdez and Gonzalez and pantomimed cutting his throat. He also brandished a Taser at them and said they could be deported if they ever left West’s property without his permission.[...]
As Sgt. Robert McGee later wrote in a police report, West said that Valdez and Gonzalez were "two of his girls," and he asked the cops to haul the women in and "scare the girls."
The police brought the women, who were both in their twenties, to the station house. McGee told them they couldn’t leave West’s farm without permission, warning that they could wind up dead. To drive home the point, an officer later testified, McGee stood over Valdez and Gonzalez and pantomimed cutting his throat. He also brandished a Taser at them and said they could be deported if they ever left West’s property without his permission.[...]
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
The issue I see with ripping children away from their families is that it creates a vulnerable situation for them when they should be with their mothers. Our American system exploits tons of people, one of those is foster care system. Foster care is terrible, with reports of foster children being abused in multiple homes. Sometimes the birth mother of the house will treat her "born" children better and treat the foster kid bad because many do it for a daily check.
Yes. They should be with their mothers, I agree. The issue with illegals specifically is the citizenship. That’s where the parents had poor judgement. And yes, the foster system needs major adjusting. Those kids deserve way better than a family who’s in it for the money.
It's basically creating drama where none should be in the first place, if something happens to those kids, it is Trump and his supporters fault.
This is where I disagree. Clinton was doing this before trump. Obama was doing this before trump. Now that trump is doing it it is facing backlash(there’s debate as to why that is, because he’s republican, because he says stupid things etc) the drama comes in because of that citizenship issue. When the parents hold a different citizenship than their children’s dren. It’s a tough one when it come to morality but pretty simple when you only look at the legal side of it. If something happens to those kids whoever was in charge of watching over that child will be held accountable. It’s their responsibility to make sure that they are taken care of. Same thing as like when a foster kid runs away the foster parent is held accountable. I hope I make sense, I’m trying not to drag it out more than necessary for the conversation.
As for legal immigration, it is a joke because people exploit them whether they are legal or illegal (which ironically goes back to America's slavery days.) I love how people act like they'll treat immigrants better if they were somehow legal but that's all lies. They like to sugar coat things, the truth of the matter is they'll hate them if they are legal or not.
Not that the following links have anything to do with this but there are news of corrupt officials taking bribes and raping women at the border and the like.
Not that the following links have anything to do with this but there are news of corrupt officials taking bribes and raping women at the border and the like.
This is another issue that should definitely be fixed. It’s not quite the same topic as separating the kids but it’s actually one(in my opinion) that should probably be focused on more, more should be done to prevent this kind of treatment and more should be done in regard to the consequences of these acts. A slap on the wrist is not good enough, there needs to be some serious repercussions.
The links you posted were very informative and sadly this is not the first I’ve heard about that kind of thing. That is exactly what I’m talking about when I say our system or process for legalization desperately needs to be fixed. This is not just our problem, it’s theirs too. When immigrants try to come here legally and are met with a bunch of bullshit we are not being fair and we are lying to them, and that needs to change if we want the whole system to actually work like it’s supposed to.
The government needs to fix their shit so that immigrants can get theirs in order. But at the same time, they can’t just come here because they want without documentation and such, we have no idea who these people are without it and some of them are truly here for horrible things. That is what ideally we are tying to prevent.
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
GlitterBug · 22-25, F
@SatanBurger also, I want to point out that I appreciate the actual substance of your reply rather than the immaturity of some of the other commenters, even if we don’t agree on everything.