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Spoiledbrat · F
It wouldn't bother me. They are just statues.
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room101 · 51-55, M
I'll repeat what I said in another post on this topic.
You seem to be missing two rather vital elements to the question of “why remove Confederate symbols from public places?” These two elements are time and persistence.
If we were to borrow HG Wells’ time machine and go back to the Rome of 2,000 years ago and travel along the Via dei Fori Imperiali, we would see a huge statue of Julius Caesar. To the eyes of Roman slaves and the conquered people of the Roman Empire, that statue would no doubt cause some discomfort, if not outright fear. Go to that same spot today (the statue is still there) and time has removed that discomfort and fear because the context of the statue has changed. What we now see is a remnant of a lost civilization. What’s been lost with that civilization is the narrative that the statue represents.
But time alone is not what makes that statue acceptable today. If the Roman Empire had persisted throughout these 2,000 years and there was still slavery and conquest, that statue would still have the same effect on those who are being subjugated by that empire.
Slavery may have gone from America but, it took a civil war to get rid of it. And the Confederate states were the ones who fought to keep it. Furthermore, black people in America still suffer from institutionalised racism and bigotry. In other words, the narrative of those Confederate symbols still persists. If that were not the case, why do white supremacists still use the Confederate flag?
You seem to be missing two rather vital elements to the question of “why remove Confederate symbols from public places?” These two elements are time and persistence.
If we were to borrow HG Wells’ time machine and go back to the Rome of 2,000 years ago and travel along the Via dei Fori Imperiali, we would see a huge statue of Julius Caesar. To the eyes of Roman slaves and the conquered people of the Roman Empire, that statue would no doubt cause some discomfort, if not outright fear. Go to that same spot today (the statue is still there) and time has removed that discomfort and fear because the context of the statue has changed. What we now see is a remnant of a lost civilization. What’s been lost with that civilization is the narrative that the statue represents.
But time alone is not what makes that statue acceptable today. If the Roman Empire had persisted throughout these 2,000 years and there was still slavery and conquest, that statue would still have the same effect on those who are being subjugated by that empire.
Slavery may have gone from America but, it took a civil war to get rid of it. And the Confederate states were the ones who fought to keep it. Furthermore, black people in America still suffer from institutionalised racism and bigotry. In other words, the narrative of those Confederate symbols still persists. If that were not the case, why do white supremacists still use the Confederate flag?
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BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@imLobo ...and isn't that exactly what I said about communism too? You're telling me I'm wrong for having said exactly what you just did, before you said it?
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SW-User
hyperbole much...
how about just the ones that celebrate wealthy southerners who committed treasonous actions...
you know... the ones built in the jim crow era...
for the record...
i am white,
very southern
i have dead confederates in my family(not officers).
poor privates who damn near starved and were injured for rich men.
how about just the ones that celebrate wealthy southerners who committed treasonous actions...
you know... the ones built in the jim crow era...
for the record...
i am white,
very southern
i have dead confederates in my family(not officers).
poor privates who damn near starved and were injured for rich men.
SW-User
Mary Todd Lincoln's family owned slaves Abe is guilty by association! So tare his down,too while we are at it!
I never believed we'd become a nation of sheep... 😢
I never believed we'd become a nation of sheep... 😢
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@SW-User James Madison and Thomas Payne never owned slaves. But they're not as celebrated.
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@BlueMetalChick They are in some circles. Thomas Payne and James Madison are highly thought of in some religious circles.
metalicblack · 46-50, M
I still never understood why they have to be removed in the first place it's like they are trying to hide the past they need to be re purposed to educate about the wrongs that they represent. The placards need to read i was a scum bag i did horrible things let me serve as an example as to what not to do or be
SW-User
@Niburu no swastika remains...and a couple of Americans recently thought it would be cool to do a heil Hitler on the street... they got pummeled ..
Architecture can be repurposed ...
Battlefields can be studied and preserved..
People who fought to preserve
An oppressive economic system
Do not need to be venerated.
Architecture can be repurposed ...
Battlefields can be studied and preserved..
People who fought to preserve
An oppressive economic system
Do not need to be venerated.
Niburu · 56-60, M
@SW-User Who said anything about veneration?
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@Niburu oy!
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SW-User
Grant never owned slaves. None of these people were traitors and ordered the murder of United States Army soldiers or promoted armed rebellion against the Constitution. Lee should have been hung.
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@BlueMetalChick for me the hanging would have been for the treason itself There is a phenomenon called "the lost cause" myth of the confederacy which Lee was in part responsible for creating as well.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
@SW-User Its funny you mention that cos I was just reading about the Lost Cause on Wikipedia.
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@BlueMetalChick wow, that is funny. I can't share a link but read this in the ny times the other day...(a Google search will pull it up)
What Robert E. Lee Wrote to The Times About Slavery in 1858
What Robert E. Lee Wrote to The Times About Slavery in 1858
luckranger71 · 51-55, M
Hmmm, but Jefferson and Washington never took up arms against the United States? Subtle difference huh?
Madgirl · 26-30, F
well they did remove all the former stalin statues from eastern germany too...
akindheart · 61-69, F
nope, they will move on to the next issue, the ones they make up.
BlueMetalChick · 26-30, F
I mean, I guess, if you want. Americans sure don't seem to like those guys these days anyway.
This is the NAZI' getting a foot hold. The Nazi movement came from the left and it's coming again.
NankerPhelge · 61-69, M
Normally I don't approve of destroying monuments, but in those cases I am prepared to make an exception.
sogdianrock · 61-69, M
hi Niburu
Who knows what the future holds? Maybe it will be done. Certainly let that knowledge be known. Slavery is a modern day evil also. Slavers need to be held responsible for the harm they do and have done. That is basic humanity.
Best wishes
:)
Who knows what the future holds? Maybe it will be done. Certainly let that knowledge be known. Slavery is a modern day evil also. Slavers need to be held responsible for the harm they do and have done. That is basic humanity.
Best wishes
:)
JaggedLittlePill · 46-50, F
Sure. Go ahead.
Spoiledbrat · F
Maybe we should.