So Germany and the US are finally getting serious and sending tanks to Ukraine

@Gusman you clearly don’t understand what has been going on in Ukraine since 2004

@KiwiBird What I quoted came from the New York Times.
These American tanks need extensive training for anyone to operate them and it has been suggested they are not actually suitable for Ukrainian terrain.
But Germany insisted they committed to supplying them for them to budge.So it may only be a symbolic move.
There are only so many stored weapons available.


Countries still need to keep themselves defendable.

@SirfurryanimalWales But those German tanks look (as they would say) SuperSexyCool!! 😂

In fact, I have a couple of them parked out in my garage (well, not Leopards, exactly... but lovely nevertheless) 😀

i simply cannot resist German engineering

@newjaninev2 They look pretty bad-ass. I just was watching the news and the showed the tanks Ukraine currently have and the gun on them looks pencil thin compared to the gauge of the leopards.

@Mithraia The bottom line is you don't agree that you are war mongering. That's fine, but it doesn't mean I am wrong. Again, adding more and additional weapons to a conflict is an escalation...full stop. And you are saying "good" to this. Accept this assessment as something you could understand if you were to look at your behavior from another person's perspective, not what your personal intentions are by supporting this escalation.

My solution is as follows.

A complete end to hostilities. Everyone comes to the negotiating table, they work out a compromise and we work together to ensure that compromise is met with a minimum of bloodshed and mayhem.

@SumKindaMunster [quote]A complete end to hostilities. Everyone comes to the negotiating table, they work out a compromise and we work together to ensure that compromise is met with a minimum of bloodshed and mayhem.
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Great. But that's not going to happen anytime soon. Therefore, time to escalate the conflict. Time to drive the invaders out. At this moment in time, it will lead to less bloodshed in the long run.

@Mithraia ....and that's why you are a warmonger.

DRIVE THE INVADERS OUT!
MORE VIOLENCE NOW LEADS TO LESS BLOODSHED LATER!
TIME TO ESCALATE THE CONFLICT!
OCEANIA HAS ALWAYS BEEN AT WAR WITH EASTASIA!

[quote]Who controls that past, controls the future.
Who controls the present controls the past.
Who controls the past controls the future.
Who controls the present now???
TESTIFY![/quote]

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@ididntknow Well, in the absence of even the slightest modicum of evidence to support what you're talking about, I'm just going to laugh, and leave you to it.

@Mithraia where’s your evidence

@Mithraia That’s how idiots usually behave

@MarkPaul people have been saying this for 20 years. the guy expected to seize power after Putin is (allegedly) even MORE likely to use nukes than Putin is.

@SusanInFlorida My comment is referring to Germany sending tanks. The next bureaucrat to follow Putin is just as unlikely to use nuclear weapons as high-heel wearing Putin. Doing so will only accelerate the end of Russia and no Russian leader will want to be attached to that. You better stick to knitting.

@Cierzo YOu mean isolationist. Well we all know how well that works in a global community.

@JimboSaturn We all know how global alliances have worked. They have already brought two world wars and are about to bring the third one.

@Cierzo [quote]local conflicts like the one between Russia and Ukraine, or the one between Israel and Palestine should remain local.[/quote]
What makes you think that Russia thinks that way?

@newjaninev2 The Americans are sending their Abrams tanks as well.

@newjaninev2 Jeez take the bloodlust down a notch would ya war machine? Quite the bloodthirsty statement from a Kiwi on the opposite side of the world. You headed there now to assist the people being bombed or to join the Ukrainian army?

@newjaninev2 Did MSNBC tell you to say that

@ididntknow Why would I listen to a foreign news channel?

@LetsGoBrandon He gonna be a billionaire by the time this is over. probably already is.

@ididntknow I think that is an extension of the Crimea overtaking.
They got away with it easily and began making plans to grab the rest of the land around the Sea of Azov for unobstructed access to the Black sea. Teh rest of Ukraine is just a bonus.

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@ididntknow it''s about russia's greed, constant lies, brutality, and complete lack of civilised values. Because all russians do is lie, they try to justify their attempted genocide in lots of ways, but all those excuses are just shite. The only way they will stop is when they are stopped. Luckily, that's in their immediate future.

@bystander I hate to use a broad brush for ALL Russians.
I think there is a minority who have good values, but cannot control their government.

@Mithraia NATO dictates reality. Google says war crimes are a Russia problem. Google is afraid of NATO, of course.

@Roundandroundwego You make no sense at all. Evidence that Google is afraid of NATO? Of course not🤦‍♂️

@Mithraia google war crimes -. Google pretending it's a Russia thing in all the results. NATO is running google. That's also true. Global USA is unbeatable. NATO thinks it should oppose China and India,next.

@Pitchblue That is why Sweden and Finland are rushing to join NATO now.
They can no longer trust Russia - after seeing what Russia is doing to Ukraine,