Controversial opinion but.

@ChipmunkErnie agreed. A decent perspective that i wish even the people who disagree with me can understand

@Northwest Is what? Responding to you? Not really.

Actually taking anything you say seriously would be rather demented though.

@SW-User Nice try with your other alias. Goodbye drone.

@Northwest 😂 k bye

@BlueVeins You are comparing two different things.

Who armed the Ukrainian rebels and gave them billions of dollars in finding each year?

Who disagreed on Russia's terms when they agreed and signed to diplomatic agreements saying that NATO shouldn't expand?

You corner down Russia like that and then they chose to destroy a neighbouring country for stupid reasons.

Who is in the wrong here? Both the west and Russia.

There are no good guys in this war. This is not Hitler era world war 2 type of war. This is a war that has been solved through diplomacy 10+ years ago before the NATO expansion started.

@Doometernal
Vladimir Putin


Ukraine is not responsible for for any deals made between Vladimir Putin and the gremlins that live in his brain. Even if there was, it's not Ukraine's fault that other eastern European countries joined NATO.


NATO isn't "cornering" Russia; countries proximate to Russia have been applying to join NATO and have been accepted. All sovereign states have a right to form military alliances with whoever they wish. By that logic, it would be immoral for Russia and China to ally with Cuba. And by the way, the main reason why eastern European countries even wanted to join NATO was because Russia kept attacking its neighbors unprovoked.

@Doometernal Also if you've read any of Putin's writings on Ukraine, you'll know he doesn't even believe in Ukrainian sovereignty regardless.

@Doometernal Russia terminated the Kharkiv Agreement in 2014, what are you talking about?

@BlueVeins do more research.

@Doometernal If surrendering isn't the point, then what the Hell is? If you don't want Ukraine to be able to defend itself and you don't want Ukraine to surrender, then what do you actually want?

@msros that's a good answer.

@Doometernal Please understand, I wasn't saying it was good that 14k civilians died nor that we should have been there, simply stating accepted facts. War is never nice and many civilians were killed by their own insurgents while attacking us too. No doubt that the reasons we were there are questionable and History won't be kind to GWB, Chaney and Rumsfeld on that.

@spjennifer The Associated Press counted 110,000 just from body counts alone, and just from 2003 to 2011. I get that a lot of those weren't directly shot or bombed by US soldiers in particular, but we started the war so we should take ownership of its consequences. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, there would be no ISIL.

@BlueVeins I'll believe that number but it is still far below the 1 million stated above. The Kurds were already warring with Iraq long before we got there and Saddam was killing his own people too. While yes, the war by the US may have been unjustified, Saddam was still a cruel Dictator who needed to be removed, if not by us then by who as Iraq had the 4th largest Army in the World at the time? As to whether ISIL wouldn't have existed if we hadn't invaded Iraq is open for debate as evidenced by it still existing today in Afghanistan despite our best efforts to eliminate it.

@CrazyMusicLover You guys are NATO though. If you get attacked chances are that we all become a pile of ash (best case scenario) or slowly die of radiation poisoning and/or starvation no matter where we're sitting right now.

I'd be far more worried if I were a Finn or a Moldovan, if Ukraine fell, tbh

@Elessar Nobody says that in the case of attack there would be nuclear weapons involved. I think it's very unlikely. I don't rely on NATO, they can dump us as a trash if they decide it's worth the peace in the west. We're not important to other European countries, we would be no economic loss to them.

I don't think they have intention to take Finland and Moldova was confirmed to be on their list already. Then probably Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania.

Well, I don't know but internal tension is no fun either. People are getting gun licences and buy guns, some are getting scared and nervous about refugees...I just wish this won't radicalize people to join far-right groups.

@CrazyMusicLover The whole NATO and the credibility of the west would crumble if even a single country was left on its own after invoking art 5 however, with repercussions that would spare no one. There would be no peace at that point, no other country would be safe, not even ones that are somewhat "distant" from the conflict at the moment, countries would fracture under internal dissent. The various economies would get wrecked in the process too, other currently neutral countries (🇨🇳) would initiate other expansionist campaigns elsewhere, considering NATO no longer much of a treat. I don't really envision that as a likely scenario, to be honest, it's as likely to trigger a world conflict as it would be engaging directly Russian forces, and in addition to that, to initiate it with a much lower morale on our . If the west didn't want to risk its economy over this conflict why impose sanctions or donate equipment, intel and weapons in the first place to a country that it's not obligated to defend? And *after* that, refuse to defend a country that it's obligated by a treaty to?

Anything involving a direct confrontation between NATO and Russian forces may easily escalate into a nuclear exchange, even if the initial response was conventional. It's been avoided for so long for a very very good reason. I don't think even Putin is that crazy to escalate to that before hitting some other place harder to defend, which is the reason why getting NATO membership is getting so popular in Finland and Sweden right now.

Yes, we're on a hell of a sh*tty ride and I can really imagine the tension is even higher over there. 🙁

@SW-User same news outlets also showed pics of kids in Yemen bombed and starving with no food.

You cannot blame it on news even though we kinda agree that news media is corrupted.

There should be some personal responsibility involved

@Doometernal I did say NEW and news.
I'm probably too tired to do this justice.

@SW-User hehe

@SW-User so you're explaining that there's a non racist bias but also considering individualist bias where no one wants awar at their home front.

if the individual bias is what matters then everyone wants war to end immediately ASAP. As far as we have seen every action from the west points to a serious escalation of a problem that has been solved diplomatically a long time ago.

@Doometernal I'm saying that people care more because racism. They also care more because it's in the West and feel like it could be just as easily their home and could effect their lives more directly.

@Northwest agreed.

Only way it can be solved is to bring USA and russia to a negotiating table at once

But oh wait, it was already done 10+ years ago! And USA broke the agreement rules.

@Doometernal You don't really need to try hard. It's clear you're an anti-US social media activist, and NO the US did not break any agreements.

@DCarey well, it's easy to think that world is simple at your age . Grow up.

@Doometernal Funny, I was going to tell you that. Grow the fock up. The reason so much attention is paid to the Russia/Ukraine war is because of the potentially catastrophic ramifications of nuclear-armed Russia actually using those weapons. Not the same in Ethiopia. By the way, I didn't see you mention the Azerbaijan/Armenia conflict. Why is that? Racism?

@basilfawlty89 so saddddd

@Doometernal I feel like I am hushed by most Americans or can't say what I want to say because they would always retort to the "veterans sacrificed themselves for our freedom!!111" sounded like someone brainwashed and uneducated. There's a reason why they don't teach Americans about that stuff I am not for it, going to war was their choice, seeing their friends die, is their choice, I don't feel bad for them getting traumatized and I noticed a lot of people in the military are not right in the head, killing and raping people.

@Chickie i have a different perspective regarding this.


Soldiers as individuals are just like us. But soldiers grouped together as army are controlled by people who sit at the top.

Have individual pity on those people but always condemn the people and the government who sent them to participate in a war.

Secondly, army recruits deliberately find poor and problematic people because they make the best cannon fodder for a war.

So, have pity on them as individuals. But do not respect them because they are part of an army.

@Doometernal I won't have pity for them, I just can't. I lose respect for the army a long time ago.

@CopperCicada agreed.

Constructive form and making it look nice doesn't hide the racism part.

And yes, some things like this has to be direct instead of behind filters.