Controversial opinion but.

Ukraine isn't the only war going right now.

There's a civil war in Ethiopia and unnecessary bombing by Saudis in Yemen and killing kids there.

Why has this war affected you more than the other wars? Cause the people involved are white-ish?

See, all wars are bad. It's just so sad seeing normal people suffer. But, imagine supporting sending weapons to ukraine and pressuring Russia when your goverments are already doing full business with Saudis.

I'm not comparing wars. Every war sucks and should never happen, including when the Americans tried to control the middle East. I'm just pointing out the underlying racism.

There are no good guys in a war. It's always the civilians who suffer. This time, the civilians are considered white.

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CountScrofula · 41-45, M

I think what makes Ukraine different is that its the first time our media is showing us the victim's perspective from bombing because normally we're the ones sending the bombs.

It's hard to not diminish the real and very human suffering going on while at the same time going "Where were all of you when we killed a million Iraqis for no fucking reason?!"

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@CountScrofula Not true, in fact there were often videos of the war in Vietnam and the consequences of it from both sides, many news people were embedded with our troops and the nightly news had lots of pretty horrid reportings. Also, as someone who did 4 tours in Iraq, we didn't kill "a million Iraqis" nowhere near that number, about 25k insurgents were killed by Coalition forces and 14k civilians. War is never kind, people die, as do Soldiers. ISIL killed many more Iraqis than we ever did. Even the wildest estimates place the death toll around 4-500k Iraqis killed since 2003.

Doometernal · 26-30, M

@spjennifer i mean 14k civilians. I don't know the exact number but taking your numbers for context.

14k civilians dead. Is it a joke?

On a war that literally was due to a fake propoganda by the imperialists sitting at the top.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@Doometernal Please understand, I wasn't saying it was good that 14k civilians died nor that we should have been there, simply stating accepted facts. War is never nice and many civilians were killed by their own insurgents while attacking us too. No doubt that the reasons we were there are questionable and History won't be kind to GWB, Chaney and Rumsfeld on that.

BlueVeins · 22-25

@spjennifer The Associated Press counted 110,000 just from body counts alone, and just from 2003 to 2011. I get that a lot of those weren't directly shot or bombed by US soldiers in particular, but we started the war so we should take ownership of its consequences. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, there would be no ISIL.

spjennifer · 61-69, T

@BlueVeins I'll believe that number but it is still far below the 1 million stated above. The Kurds were already warring with Iraq long before we got there and Saddam was killing his own people too. While yes, the war by the US may have been unjustified, Saddam was still a cruel Dictator who needed to be removed, if not by us then by who as Iraq had the 4th largest Army in the World at the time? As to whether ISIL wouldn't have existed if we hadn't invaded Iraq is open for debate as evidenced by it still existing today in Afghanistan despite our best efforts to eliminate it.