turningthekeys · 31-35, F
The US govt
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TurtlePink · 22-25, F
@turningthekeys bingo
@turningthekeys US Defence Dept is the number 1 Terrorist Group in the world.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@turningthekeys you are freebto move. Cuba and Iran are nice
Fishy · 36-40, F
I can't remember the name, but the guy who used the brazen bull as a torture device for his and his guests entertainment.
That was pretty messed up
That was pretty messed up
Fishy · 36-40, F
@bijouxbroussard I often wonder, how deranged in the head someone has to be to even think of a torture device such as the brazen bull 😖
bijouxbroussard · F
@Fishy He definitely got his comeuppance, though. When Phalaris was defeated by Telemachus, the army used that bull on him.
Northwest · M
Human history is a very wide stretch.
Hitler is one of the top, but it all depends on how you define the scale of evil.
Is it the number of people killed?
Is the percentage of the worldwide population killed?
Is it about attempted genocide?
Is it about erasing an entire culture?
Is it about enslaving people?
Is it about torturing people?
Is it starving people to death?
Is it about burning people on a stake until they renounce evil?
The list of contenders for most evil is quite long. Then again, if you ask the 5-year me, it's the person who shot and killed my cat for the hell of it.
Hitler is one of the top, but it all depends on how you define the scale of evil.
Is it the number of people killed?
Is the percentage of the worldwide population killed?
Is it about attempted genocide?
Is it about erasing an entire culture?
Is it about enslaving people?
Is it about torturing people?
Is it starving people to death?
Is it about burning people on a stake until they renounce evil?
The list of contenders for most evil is quite long. Then again, if you ask the 5-year me, it's the person who shot and killed my cat for the hell of it.
Northwest · M
@bijouxbroussard We seem to gloss over human history. Back in the day, the winning army, would go on for days, torturing, killing, raping, until they made sure every single person was either dead, raped, robbed, and able bodied men/women are gathered up and then sold into slavery, and the town/area was burnt to the ground, along with its agricultural fields.
Look up Hanged, drawn and quartered for an example of how Europeans used to entertain themselves. Or what the Ottomans used to do: skin someone alive, salt them, and leave them in the open.
Look up Hanged, drawn and quartered for an example of how Europeans used to entertain themselves. Or what the Ottomans used to do: skin someone alive, salt them, and leave them in the open.

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Indeed it is!
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bijouxbroussard · F
@Northwest I think yours was the best answer, because it covers all considerations in being able to even make that judgment.
And I’m really sorry about your cat. 😿
And I’m really sorry about your cat. 😿
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
😅 I think we need to define "evil" first

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True. “evil” is a relative term. Who IN YOUR OPINION is the most evil person in all of human history?
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Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@SW-User I honestly have no idea... Maybe, some serial killer.
From my point of view, Hitler is pretty evil. But inside his own ideological framework, he was just doing what needed to be done to create his vision for Germany, which he labeled "good". But serial killers... they literally only do it for their own fun. They ussually don't have a moral framework, they just have an urge and it brings them pleasure. The dead count might be a lot lower... but the reason why they do it is diffrent then most dictators.
From my point of view, Hitler is pretty evil. But inside his own ideological framework, he was just doing what needed to be done to create his vision for Germany, which he labeled "good". But serial killers... they literally only do it for their own fun. They ussually don't have a moral framework, they just have an urge and it brings them pleasure. The dead count might be a lot lower... but the reason why they do it is diffrent then most dictators.
Dolimyte · 41-45, M
Tom Hanks
TurtlePink · 22-25, F
@Dolimyte whaat? What did he do
Roundandroundwego · 61-69
No one American killed the Indians and took over. Looks like individuals serve a great a useful purpose in making that happen. But the ethics of the nation are invisible.
Lostpoet · M
@Roundandroundwego I'm anti-war as well.
Spoiledbrat · F
There were Spanish people here too. They were forcing the French out. @Roundandroundwego
Spoiledbrat · F
The French were coming here for a better life, just like the Mexicans are now, and were slaughtered. @Roundandroundwego
Emperor Caligula has to be pretty high on the list - at least, if the number of people who died were tallied back then...
thepeculiarpanda · 36-40, M
Not sure, but Pol Pot is definitely on that list and so is Stalin. 🤔

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True. He was a very evil man, indeed.
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Theyitis · 36-40, M
I was watching some show about serial killers, and some panel of experts rated these serial killers for evil on a scale of 1-22. The episode I watched featured three serial killers, and one of them, Eugene Simmons (not to be confused with the frontman for Kiss) scored a 22.
But, as Northwest said, it’s a very subjective question, depending on what kinds of things you think are the most evil.
But, as Northwest said, it’s a very subjective question, depending on what kinds of things you think are the most evil.
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M
@Theyitis a panel? You mean Dr Michael Stone?
Theyitis · 36-40, M
@ImperialAerosolKidFromEP I don’t remember for sure whom it was, but I wasn’t under the impression that just one man was rating them on the scale.

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Vlad (The Impaler) Tepes.
Justmeraeagain · 56-60, F
Jeffrey Dalhmer
Lostpoet · M
Hitler although I think some of the people he surrounded himself with were even more evil.
Lostpoet · M
@SW-User I'll check it out.
Lostpoet · M
@SW-User I just watched the trailer it seems like a very intense movie.

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@Lostpoet It is, but any movie that holds a candle in love will be from that time. It holds thoughts and feelings we should think about onto this day.
TheRascallyOne · 31-35, M
Me
Lostpoet · M
@TheRascallyOne You really should pick up all the little round pellets you leave behind.
dakotaviper · 56-60, M
First it was Cain, then it was Atilla the Hun, then it was Vlad the Impaler, then it was Ivan the Terrible, then it was any Slave Trader/Owner, then it was Adolf Hitler, then it was Josef Stalin, then it was Pol Pot, and Today it's up for grabs.
Thevy29 · 41-45, M
The C#nt who invented the Roundabout.
DownTheStreet · 56-60, M
Morern times: Hitler and Stalin get podium positions but Mao Zedong killed the most.
Hard to imagine how many people like Ghengis Khan could have killed with modern means and population levels.
Really I don’t try to pick the worst - they’re already many who were very succesful in carrying out their evil intent.
Hard to imagine how many people like Ghengis Khan could have killed with modern means and population levels.
Really I don’t try to pick the worst - they’re already many who were very succesful in carrying out their evil intent.
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smiler2012 · 61-69
@SW-User 🤔iwould agree with what you say hitler
Jenny1234 · 56-60, F
Bill Clinton is #2 of the university of Vermont most evil people.
I think my father in law should be in tie with hitler
I think my father in law should be in tie with hitler
bijouxbroussard · F
@Jenny1234 Bill Clinton ? Something is really wrong with them. 🙄
Jenny1234 · 56-60, F
@bijouxbroussard I didn’t get it either.
BizSuitStacy · M
Estimates vary, Mao killed roughly 75 million
ImperialAerosolKidFromEP · 51-55, M
I think a good historian would not give you a straight answer, but point out that "evil" can be pretty subjective and therefore, an apples and oranges comparison or would ask if you mean by 2024 values or the values of their contemporaries, etc.
Spoiledbrat · F
He did kill a lot of innocent people.
tenente · 36-40, M
20th century? pure body count? Mao Zedong 40-80 million
i think Hitler, Stalin and Lenin only account for 3-4 million
i think Hitler, Stalin and Lenin only account for 3-4 million
Kwek00 · 41-45, M
@tenente I'm not disagreeing that Mao didn't kill a lot of people tenente... and his regime beats Stalin and Hitler... that's for sure.
I'm just really sure Hitler and Stalin both did a lot more then 3-4 million.
And then something that I adressed somewhere else... is that these are still regimes. We can blame it all on that leader figure, but I think that's just a bit too easy. It's a regime, many people joined in on the murder, and yes there was a leader, but there was also a mindset that people just agreed with because they believed they were doing the right thing.
If the Trump thing in the US ever dies out... people will point to him for all the crap that happened. Some people are already pretending that he's the sole source of all the negative stuff you see. But at the end of the day, there is an entire group of people that are pushing everything that is happening. The responsibility is way more difused when it comes to regimes and political movements.
Same happened to our guy (Leopold 2) who is often blamed for all the attrocities when the king was exploiting Congo as his own territory (not Belgians)... however, it was a mindset of thousands of colonists that created the attrocities over there. Just pointing to the king, gives a really simplistic view of what actually happened.
I'm just really sure Hitler and Stalin both did a lot more then 3-4 million.
And then something that I adressed somewhere else... is that these are still regimes. We can blame it all on that leader figure, but I think that's just a bit too easy. It's a regime, many people joined in on the murder, and yes there was a leader, but there was also a mindset that people just agreed with because they believed they were doing the right thing.
If the Trump thing in the US ever dies out... people will point to him for all the crap that happened. Some people are already pretending that he's the sole source of all the negative stuff you see. But at the end of the day, there is an entire group of people that are pushing everything that is happening. The responsibility is way more difused when it comes to regimes and political movements.
Same happened to our guy (Leopold 2) who is often blamed for all the attrocities when the king was exploiting Congo as his own territory (not Belgians)... however, it was a mindset of thousands of colonists that created the attrocities over there. Just pointing to the king, gives a really simplistic view of what actually happened.
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caesar7 · 61-69, M
Hitler or Stalin....I'll go with Stalin
Musicman · 61-69, M
Hitler is just someone from modern history that people actually know about and can see video of. We really don't know about people much before the 1800's.
tenente · 36-40, M
What do you think most historians would say if asked this question?
probably remind us to consider context and environment. the black death wiped out much of the population but can you attribute that to poor leadership? maybe?
SandWitch · 26-30, F
Richard Nixon, because he was totally okay with leaving Americans to rot in Vietnam for years as the USA continued to make money from the south Vietnamese government to defend their country from the north Vietnamese army. Richard Nixon was an evil person, no different than Donald Trump is an evil person, neither of whom have a conscience.
SandWitch · 26-30, F
@Patriot96
You don't know anything about the Vietnam war, despite using a picture of a US Serviceman cloaked with an American flag in your username photo to pretend that you're part of that club of true patriots. Anyone who knows their war history is a true patriot. You on the other hand are a total fraud.
Eisenhower dragged the USA into the Vietnam war in 1957, which was 2 years after the war had started between north and south Vietnam. Eisenhower got the US involved strictly for America's financial gain in the matter because the US military was and still is a 'gun for hire'.
The US military was hired by the south Vietnamese government to come over with American resources to stop the advancement of the north Vietnamese into south Vietnam.
Eisenhower did not drag the US into that war to stop the spread of communism which was how he lied to the American people, yet Americans were ultimately sold on the idea that it was a good idea to go to war against north Vietnam which was purely a propaganda-play that Eisenhower used against Americans to get them to come onside with his financial scheme. This is no different than how George W. Bush conned the American people into believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction hidden in the desert, which then gave Bush the green light to invade Iraq when Americans believed his BS.
The US government would not allow any other Nation to come over to Vietnam and join in the fight because this was America's war and would ultimately be America's financial gain at the end of the day as well, which the US had no intention of sharing with any other Nation.
Who ended up working alongside the US military were paid mercenaries from other countries who were paid by the US government to covertly assist them in the fight. This was why the draft was imposed in the USA during the Vietnam war, because of a distinct lack of enlisted American troops.
Over 60% of all American soldiers who went over to Vietnam were draftees who did not want to be there, but were forced to be there by the US government. That is why the US paid thousands of mercenaries to join in the fight because Americans were no longer enlisting in the US military because they didn't trust the US government considering the US was losing badly to the north Vietnamese army. That is also why draft-dodgers fled the USA during the Vietnam war because they did not trust their government and would not be a part of that action.
Kennedy then took over and continued that war after Eisenhower because of the money that was still being made by the US for their involvement in Vietnam.
Johnson then took over and continued that war with a the same concept of financial gain in mind that his previous Presidential predecessors were using because supplying an endless supply of American troops and hardware was very lucrative for the USA.
Nixon then took over from Johnson and continued that war until the anti-Vietnam war movement in the USA went beyond Nixon's control and he realized that the US government could no longer fool the American people of why the US was still involved in Vietnam.
America's involvement with Vietnam was not about stopping the spread of communism, it was about the vast sums of financial gain the US government was getting from supplying troops and other resources to that war effort which has continued to this day in other parts of the world involving the US military.
Nixon then began to withdraw troops from Vietnam when his popularity began to slide, but he did this only near the end of his term because he thought the troop withdrawal would boost his low popularity among Americans. But Nixon failed to gain popularity despite the initial withdrawal because of his Watergate scandal.
Nixon's last ditch attempt to withdraw all troops from Vietnam to save his own political ass resulted in America's embarrassing retreat from Vietnam, but Nixon still got Impeached because of Watergate nonetheless. President Ford then took over by default for the remainder of Nixon's term in Office.
For you to suggest that Vietnam was "Johnson's war" really points to how disconnected you really are from your own country's war history.
I would strongly suggest that you remove your username photo of a US Serviceman draped with an American flag because you are a disgrace to your country, Patriot96.
You don't know anything about the Vietnam war, despite using a picture of a US Serviceman cloaked with an American flag in your username photo to pretend that you're part of that club of true patriots. Anyone who knows their war history is a true patriot. You on the other hand are a total fraud.
Eisenhower dragged the USA into the Vietnam war in 1957, which was 2 years after the war had started between north and south Vietnam. Eisenhower got the US involved strictly for America's financial gain in the matter because the US military was and still is a 'gun for hire'.
The US military was hired by the south Vietnamese government to come over with American resources to stop the advancement of the north Vietnamese into south Vietnam.
Eisenhower did not drag the US into that war to stop the spread of communism which was how he lied to the American people, yet Americans were ultimately sold on the idea that it was a good idea to go to war against north Vietnam which was purely a propaganda-play that Eisenhower used against Americans to get them to come onside with his financial scheme. This is no different than how George W. Bush conned the American people into believing that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction hidden in the desert, which then gave Bush the green light to invade Iraq when Americans believed his BS.
The US government would not allow any other Nation to come over to Vietnam and join in the fight because this was America's war and would ultimately be America's financial gain at the end of the day as well, which the US had no intention of sharing with any other Nation.
Who ended up working alongside the US military were paid mercenaries from other countries who were paid by the US government to covertly assist them in the fight. This was why the draft was imposed in the USA during the Vietnam war, because of a distinct lack of enlisted American troops.
Over 60% of all American soldiers who went over to Vietnam were draftees who did not want to be there, but were forced to be there by the US government. That is why the US paid thousands of mercenaries to join in the fight because Americans were no longer enlisting in the US military because they didn't trust the US government considering the US was losing badly to the north Vietnamese army. That is also why draft-dodgers fled the USA during the Vietnam war because they did not trust their government and would not be a part of that action.
Kennedy then took over and continued that war after Eisenhower because of the money that was still being made by the US for their involvement in Vietnam.
Johnson then took over and continued that war with a the same concept of financial gain in mind that his previous Presidential predecessors were using because supplying an endless supply of American troops and hardware was very lucrative for the USA.
Nixon then took over from Johnson and continued that war until the anti-Vietnam war movement in the USA went beyond Nixon's control and he realized that the US government could no longer fool the American people of why the US was still involved in Vietnam.
America's involvement with Vietnam was not about stopping the spread of communism, it was about the vast sums of financial gain the US government was getting from supplying troops and other resources to that war effort which has continued to this day in other parts of the world involving the US military.
Nixon then began to withdraw troops from Vietnam when his popularity began to slide, but he did this only near the end of his term because he thought the troop withdrawal would boost his low popularity among Americans. But Nixon failed to gain popularity despite the initial withdrawal because of his Watergate scandal.
Nixon's last ditch attempt to withdraw all troops from Vietnam to save his own political ass resulted in America's embarrassing retreat from Vietnam, but Nixon still got Impeached because of Watergate nonetheless. President Ford then took over by default for the remainder of Nixon's term in Office.
For you to suggest that Vietnam was "Johnson's war" really points to how disconnected you really are from your own country's war history.
I would strongly suggest that you remove your username photo of a US Serviceman draped with an American flag because you are a disgrace to your country, Patriot96.