The USA has interests in every single part of the world, so it's also pointing nukes and guns at everything and everyone - that's "defensive".

@LordShadowfire It is. No matter how much gaslighting you engage in won't change that.

And no. It is not just about Russia going to war with Ukraine. It is from day one you have pretended the only solution is the colonization of all of Europe by NATO which is the American foreign legion.

You pretend there are not even any other possible options besides American global dominance.

So you want the same thing as every right wing war hawk. You just make different excuses to justify it.

And you also are determined to parrot the NATO talking points of why the conflict happened regardless of the facts, the history or even statements made by the Ukrainian government themselves.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that American diplomats going back as far as 1997 knew this slow march east would lead to war with Russia and the "anti war" movement in the US sat around and watched and cheered on the spreading of "freedom".

Not to mention the US basically lying at every negotiation with Russia going back to 1989 made any negotiations a total waste of time because the US government made sure any agreements would be worthless.


But armchair generals like you who just discovered Ukraine in Feb 2022 think you know everything and have the moral certainty of people who have no idea what is going on.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm not the one gaslighting here, Sparky. All I've ever said was that Russia should leave Ukraine alone, and every time I say it, you accuse me of being an American imperialist.

I literally never said anything about American global dominance. I said Russia should leave Ukraine alone.

@LordShadowfire You absolutely are. You are straight up lying about your position. And that is a lie that all you have said is Russia should leave Ukraine alone.

You are an imperialist because you pretend and push the idea that NATO is the only option for Eastern Europe.

And you pretend NATO is the peace corps and not parking an enemy military alliance on Russia's doorstep. A military alliance that nearly all the members are armed with American nukes in violation of the NPT.

The US has done everything it could to make sure this resulted in war. Including pressuring Ukraine into abandoning a peace deal 3 weeks into the fight that would have seen Ukraine go back to the neutrality agreed upon in 1991 and held until the US coup in Kiev in 2014 (total coincidence I am sure you will say).

The simple fact is the US forced Ukraine into a position to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian to the point that they now do face an existential demographic crisis that also started with American "shock Therapy" in the 90s.

You love pretending all of this happens in a vacuum.

@Roundandroundwego Hitler declared war on the US.
To fight or not to fight was a decision made by each person drafted.

@JSul3 Hitler declared war against the US only because that was basically an automatic event once the US retaliated against Japan. That is how military alliances work.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Look how that turned out for him.

He believed the US would declare war first.
Hitler thought the US would declare war on Germany before he could, given the US Navy's attacks on German U-boats and President Roosevelt's verbal attacks on Nazi ideology.
He believed Japan would help Germany.
Hitler believed that Japan would defeat the US and then help Germany defeat Russia.
He wanted to maintain the initiative.
Hitler wanted to be the one to declare war, rather than waiting for the US to do so.
He believed the US was committing crimes.
Hitler claimed the US had committed crimes against Nazi Germany, including attacking German and Italian ships and secretly planning military attacks.
He believed the US was under the control of the "eternal Jew"
Hitler believed the US and Roosevelt were under the control of "the eternal Jew".
Hitler's decision to declare war on the US has been called his "most puzzling" decision of World War II. However, some historians say that Hitler's decision was a logical result of his ideological beliefs and actions.

@TheOneyouwerewarnedabout yes, military might backs up the dollar in minute detail.

@GuiltyBiStander Australia not part of the coalition of the willing? Not AUKUS? Not aggressive, not arming Israel? Lol. Nah. The West are as one in the great killing.

@MarkPaul Your posts prove you don't even have a high school level understanding of history.


It is aggressive for the sake of power. And as usual you are the shill for empire.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow Well, as a historian for all intent and purpose, I resent your slander. Furthermore, as a keen observer of human behaviour, I think I know how aggression is used and better than you because I have that natural talent to be apply what I know in a pragmatic way. I really resent having to explain this to you. Covering my credentials is not something I enjoy doing.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow still zero logical arguments, just sticking with the violence.

@JoyfulSilence making peace is what the other humans require of everyone. What stops you from participating? Would you be a killer among civilized people if you got material advantage from that, like It was a jungle? Nobody else would.

@Roundandroundwego

The US is not the only aggressive civilization. It is human nature to be aggressive and competitive. Even if there were only one global nation and no armies, people would still lie, cheat, steal, fight, even murder. The military would be replaced with police. It would be better, of course, especially if restrained by laws and courts. But aggression against evil is still required.

On the other hand, I do not think force or the threat of it should be used to oppress the innocent. Colonialism is wrong. But the world is full of bad actors, crazy religious zealots, military industrial complexes. One must be ready to defend oneself. And one has that right.

@Roundandroundwego what other humans require you to make peace with everyone?

Try to make sense when answering please. I would like you to answer only what I asked.

@Roundandroundwego When did NATO expand any war?

@JSul3 you must be aware of the activity in Ukraine since the USA started the destabilization? You can't possibly see your massively extended military surrounding Russia as peaceful, can you?
What about the USA not being from Europe but arming the conflict - a war crime?

@Roundandroundwego Putin invaded Ukraine.
Ukraine did not invade Russia.

@LordShadowfire the choices aren't DOING NOTHING vs being a victim. You prefer to avoid all the cooperative and non violent options, as a mainstream Westerner, the rest of us people don't. You require the explanation. You have a violence problem.

@Roundandroundwego You literally refused to take action. This person was walking around waving a gun in the faces of your friends, and you could have stopped him, but you refused to make a decision of what to do. You refused to stand up to the person with a gun, and now your friend is dead. What are you going to do now? Cooperate? Pass him a joint? Sing Kumbaya? Anything but actually disarming him, right? Because stopping aggressive action is an evil awful act of war.

@GuiltyBiStander aggression needs no explanation, you sure are clearly offended but not by violence! Just about me as an individual? Denislist.

@Roundandroundwego You're the one in denial, sitting there saying that we should all sit down with Vladimir Putin and sing Kumbaya around the fire.

@jshm2 Unfortunately, you're right about that. America is looking around for payback because we've treated a lot of countries very badly. But in the case of Russia, the fear is definitely founded.

@Miram everyone prefers Armageddon to a political change that's not even violent. Online.