The USA has interests in every single part of the world, so it's also pointing nukes and guns at everything and everyone - that's "defensive".

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow philosophical review would definitely discredit this politics.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow @Roundandroundwego

Oh, good. You two Russia lovers found each other. Now go get a room.

@LordShadowfire why would you defend hating Russia? Why are you against making peace with Russia? Sounds like the diabolical are free from arguments and free to hate.

@LordShadowfire no, opposing the invasion is one thing, using more violence is the problem. You don't have that right, it's obvious to everyone outside nato-stan. You have a philosophy problem on purpose to become dangerous.

@Roundandroundwego Okay. Please explain how sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya will stop an invasion of armed soldiers. You have 500 words or less.

@Roundandroundwego

I didn't think so.

@LordShadowfire Figures. Anyone who is not a blind cheerleader of American empire must be a Russian bot.


Congrats. You are no different than the John Birch Society conservatives.

@LordShadowfire you don't get to limit everyone else to your choices, failure and violence. We don't have that limit, like USA West does.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow

Nice straw man. Be careful, though. It might catch fire if you get it too close to the truth.

@Roundandroundwego

In other words, you don't have a good solution.

@LordShadowfire no, we have solutions that aren't violent. Thanks for ending our discussion. No way they would admit an end to the violence is their responsibility, killers, dangerous killers through the ADVANTAGES they got from past killing and violence. Always and forever, the West would be dangerous for us.

@Roundandroundwego

You claim to have solutions that aren't violent, but you refuse to discuss them. You refuse to tell me what you would do. You ended the discussion. You chose to focus on the fact that everybody talking to you can see that your arguments are BS, and pretend to be the victim because we aren't falling for it.

@LordShadowfire I don't refuse to discuss them. Plenty of questions from me and rants about your opposition to international law and the UN, the promise of global democracy and US war mongering opposition to it. You really can't win.

@Roundandroundwego The only thing that I've seen you do is attack anybody who dares to say that Russia needs to be stopped, accusing us of warmongering over and over because you don't want Russia to pay the price for their aggression.

@LordShadowfire It is not a strawman. It is an accurate statement of your political positions based on your own statements.

And to most self proclaimed leftists finding yourself making the same arguments as the most reactionary right wing cold warriors should be a point of reflection. Apparently it is not in your case.

But apparently the in thing for many Western Liberals now is to be the vanguard for Zbigniew Kazimierz Brzeziński's project to colonize Eastern Europe for America.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow You know, I think you actually believe that. I think you legitimately think that anybody saying Russia needs to stop invading other countries is supporting American imperialism somehow. I think you're that brain damaged.

@LordShadowfire It is. No matter how much gaslighting you engage in won't change that.

And no. It is not just about Russia going to war with Ukraine. It is from day one you have pretended the only solution is the colonization of all of Europe by NATO which is the American foreign legion.

You pretend there are not even any other possible options besides American global dominance.

So you want the same thing as every right wing war hawk. You just make different excuses to justify it.

And you also are determined to parrot the NATO talking points of why the conflict happened regardless of the facts, the history or even statements made by the Ukrainian government themselves.

You also conveniently ignore the fact that American diplomats going back as far as 1997 knew this slow march east would lead to war with Russia and the "anti war" movement in the US sat around and watched and cheered on the spreading of "freedom".

Not to mention the US basically lying at every negotiation with Russia going back to 1989 made any negotiations a total waste of time because the US government made sure any agreements would be worthless.


But armchair generals like you who just discovered Ukraine in Feb 2022 think you know everything and have the moral certainty of people who have no idea what is going on.

@PicturesOfABetterTomorrow I'm not the one gaslighting here, Sparky. All I've ever said was that Russia should leave Ukraine alone, and every time I say it, you accuse me of being an American imperialist.

I literally never said anything about American global dominance. I said Russia should leave Ukraine alone.

@LordShadowfire You absolutely are. You are straight up lying about your position. And that is a lie that all you have said is Russia should leave Ukraine alone.

You are an imperialist because you pretend and push the idea that NATO is the only option for Eastern Europe.

And you pretend NATO is the peace corps and not parking an enemy military alliance on Russia's doorstep. A military alliance that nearly all the members are armed with American nukes in violation of the NPT.

The US has done everything it could to make sure this resulted in war. Including pressuring Ukraine into abandoning a peace deal 3 weeks into the fight that would have seen Ukraine go back to the neutrality agreed upon in 1991 and held until the US coup in Kiev in 2014 (total coincidence I am sure you will say).

The simple fact is the US forced Ukraine into a position to fight Russia to the last Ukrainian to the point that they now do face an existential demographic crisis that also started with American "shock Therapy" in the 90s.

You love pretending all of this happens in a vacuum.