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Will some cities and states see a mass exodus of police?

There are three trends:

1. Banning non-lethal
riot control methods like pepper spray, fire hoses, rubber bullets, & batons.

2. Eliminating “qualified immunity,” so police officers (not just the city or state) can be easily sued in civil court.

3. Defunding police departments so officers are paid less and layoffs are needed.
SumKindaMunster · 51-55, M Best Comment
Already happening.

I live in the suburbs of Philadelphia.

Already they are seeing lots of resignations and early retirements.
Can't hire new police.
Crime is going up, murder rate is the highest in 20 years. Shootings are a regular occurrence, I have a work mate who lost her nephew after being shot and killed due to a road rage dispute.
Quality of life issues are getting worse. I am seeing tons of complaints about Mad Max style ATV gangs roaming the city in groups of 20 or more, terrorizing the citizens and causing all sorts of mayhem.
I am being told cops are looking the other way on everything. They know they are being filmed at all times and none want to be forced to choose between their life and their job.
I am being told 911 is either not answering, or being put on hold for extended periods of time, or some are being hung up on.
TheSunisout · 56-60, M
[@622788,SumKindaMunster] This is the problem when things start to go to far in the other direction. I would not like to be a US police officer!

curiosi · 56-60, F
They will get what they want then they will finally find out what a stupid idea it was.
curiosi · 56-60, F
[@822235,soar2newhighs] chaos is what the politicians want. Easier to control the sheep when they are fearful
[@423488,curiosi] They got a dose of reality and a taste of chaos on Jan 6th. My comment about the guard was not a joke. Cops were to quit en masse, then 6 Jan will look like a walk in the park. Whether it’s those who stormed the. Capitol or BLM or ANTIFA , the destruction of police in America will open a Pandora’s box.
TheSunisout · 56-60, M
[@423488,curiosi] Exactly, let it get out of hand and crush it👍
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
It's time to get the corruption OUT of the department.
[@831314,DearAmbellina2113] Agreed... corruption hurts any public sector, the police are no different but let’s not paint with a broad brush. Many good police out there.
DearAmbellina2113 · 41-45, F
[@822235,soar2newhighs] if they're not reporting their corrupt coworkers, they're not good.
[@831314,DearAmbellina2113] Many in positions of authority often are quiet about “things” until those things threaten their position but more than that, their pensions- then they act. This is something that occurs in many work environments and as well in governments at all levels.
Ynotisay · M
The often quoted definition of insanity is repeating the same thing over and over and expecting a different result. The U.S. incarcerates more citizens per capita than any country in the world. By a long shot. So something needs to change. Both with policing and with crime.

Something like 97% of police budgets are spent on salaries, benefits and pensions. Police funding continues to increase at a level that's not commiserate with population growth. But that's a perfectly American response. We're a reactive society. We're not proactive.

I think the idea of divest and reinvest easily makes the most sense. It would free up cops to do what they're trained to do. I also think for-profit prisons are out of control. More convictions means more money.

But the other side of the coin, which we desperately need, is the concept of personal responsibility being shoved down the throats of those in high crime areas. And that's not a black, brown or white thing.

It sort of gets to me when I see people put crime on race. That's not it. It's poverty and inequality. So until those things are addressed, nothing will change.

But as part of that, leaders need to step up, stop putting the blame on everyone and everything else, and work towards creating a pathway out of poverty. And part of that is personal responsibility. As a race-based example, I don't think I've heard a BLM leader saying, "We have a role in high crime rates. We can't continue to support the idea of 15 year's having kids who end up being raised in the welfare system. We can't allow some to dismiss that wanting an education is being a "Tom."

We need to reach children. Have to start going to the root cause of things as opposed to dealing with the after-effects of inaction.

It's a two way street. We don't need more cops. But we also don't need more criminals. Wealth disparity is THE biggest issue facing the nation right now. If that doesn't change, we'll continue having poor people committing crimes. Usually against other poor people.
Midlifemale · 56-60, M
Yep, and all of that just to satisfy the black, law breaking, criminal community.
People will move out of those cities and states
Midlifemale · 56-60, M
We need Trump back in 2024 to end all this crazy crap that Biden is ok with
Northwest · M
That would be great. We don't need to be policed by those who think rubber bullets are OK to use against our citizens, or those who think that police should not be held accountable for anything they do. I am liable for the things I do, why should cops be immune? Defunding police departments? No, more like make police unions accountable.
Possibly, especially those who want to be able to kill people with impunity.
The culture of law enforcement needs to change, fewer unarmed people will die.
Why would they ban those non lethal methods ?

So police are supposed to politely ask rioters to not rob a shop.

This is my personal concern, not trying to offend anyone.
Northwest · M
[@1157925,HopelessGuy] Do you understand the kind of damage rubber bullets will do?
[@328496,bijouxbroussard] I never said that they are polite all the time or don't use unnecessary force.
[@9416,Northwest] sorry, I do not.

but If I am robbing someone's business don't I at least deserve a rubber bullet.
Northwest · M
[@1157925,HopelessGuy] [quote]but If I am robbing someone's business don't I at least deserve a rubber bullet.[/quote]

Or if you're protesting, which is what most people were doing. But, as long as you're confident, now that you freely admit you have no idea what kind of damage a rubber bullet can cause...
wildbill83 · 36-40, M
already are... in most democrat controlled shitholes...
SatyrService · 100+, M
qualified immunity is NOT GOOD< too easy to cheat.

rather NON lethal tools, that the otyher kind

refunding other ways. where i live a call about random wierdoes gets a visit from a medical response crew, not the police.

[b]the cops love it![/b] leaves them to the real needs not just pissing in the streets
Stereoguy · 56-60, M
I think that would be a big yes.
TheSunisout · 56-60, M
This is the problem if it goes to far in the other direction, trying to find a fine line will not be easy. If the criminals start to get it easy then what?
there will always be a need for police. i wish peace and harmony could engulf the world, but nope.
Aboomachu · 31-35, M
Things like this are why I never wanted to work for law enforcement
Police are already quitting

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