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50? Or 51? (See pic below).

I've never had a problem with guns, but I have had many problems with people with attitude issues.

But crime seems to be higher where it's illegal to have guns, as the bad people are going to have guns either way, as they're not following the laws in the first place.

Of course, when they started talking about teachers being allowed to have guns in the class room, the two teachers that got most excited and volunteering to be the gun people for the school, were also the last two teachers I would want with a gun, as I thought they were the least mentally stable to start with. And the teachers that I was thinking would want the guns, and I would want him protecting the students had zero interest in them.

So, I don't think it's about the guns, I think it's about the people. And I think there needs to be some sort of limit, and no one has been able to correctly define where that limit should be, and be able to effectively enforce it, as the psychology profession wants nothing to do with gaging whom is or isn't allowed to have them.

Also, I've seen too many people do stupid things with guns, like put them in their normal standard pocket, which a number of people have shot themselves doing, as the trigger get caught and shoots their own leg.

So I feel like there would have to be mandatory trainings to have guns, especially concealed guns, and before anyone gets too upset about that, remember, we also need training to get a drivers license, so it's not something new, when using potentially dangerous equipment in a public setting, you need to to prove you have met a minimum requirement, and maybe allowed for gun ranges to let people practice, while being guided by an instructor, just like learning to drive, etc.
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@WowwGirl

No, it's actually not that complicated.

Usually familiy or friends are the first who notice something is off. They report to law enforcement or health providers, and an evaluation is ordered. If evaluation shows the person is at risk of harming themselves or others, their weapon & CC permit is temporarily removed.

Rules like these are called "Red Flag Laws", and they work. It's in effect where I am and hasn't impacted other gun rights, or my own carry. Check out more info here :

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_flag_law
pdockal · 56-60, M
@WowwGirl

Start by increasing funding
Start by taking the stigma away from seeking help
Start by promoting more practioners to go into the field
Start by "testing" children in school & providing guidence for them & their parents

But i do understand your point
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@pdockal yeah t u. That's a lot of school and debt with psychology degrees would need a lot of funding
pdockal · 56-60, M
@WowwGirl

Agreed but we throw money @ issues that don't deserve the money (which i don't want too debate)
Let's channel funding to better places
faery · 31-35, F
It's complicated. It's a dangerous nation when we have such weak gun control, and if we can't have better gun control, it's probably best more sane people are armed. I don't know why we would need to conceal, though. In fact, I think concealing weapons shouldn't be allowed. Let every potential criminal know what they're up against up front.
faery · 31-35, F
@pdockal Jfc 🙄
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@faery homeboy 😆
basilfawlty89 · 36-40, M
@pdockal
do criminals adhere to laws?

Well that's a dumb argument.
If we shouldn't have gun laws because criminals don't adhere to the law, using your logic, we shouldn't have laws against theft and murder because criminals don't adhere to laws.
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
You people who think that there will ever be sensible gun laws are living in LaLa land. No matter what laws you enact the bad guys will always find a way around it. There will always be illegal guns on the streets. With the invention of guns it was like opening up a can of worms we can't put the genie back into the bottle. There are police officers selling firearms back to the streets so the bad guys wear badges sometimes too. Google pawnshop and armory breakins where the entire place was cleaned out during robberies. Those guns are gone! People are 3D printing guns now. It just cannot be done there are way too many ways to get guns into the wrong hands of the wrong people. There is no turning back. We could get rid of every gun on the streets and someone somewhere will find a way to get them from somewhere else. Lets be realistic. Enacting gun laws is like protection orders that law or piece of paper will not protect you if you are looking down the barrel of shotgun about to get your head blown off because someone decides they want your purse.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@AngelUnforgiven Great Britain outlawed guns then they had to outlaw knives. People are the problem. Its like blaming obesity on spoons ans forest
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
@Patriot96 i never said people weren't the problem obviously guns don't shoot by themselves its not rocket science. I'm saying that laws don't matter when there are way too outlets to go around it. I had a friend in high school who built a gun like he was Mcgyver or somebody and he used to go into the woods and shoot it. There are way too many ways to obtain them in order to contain them that's all im saying. Laws don't stop gun running.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@Patriot96 she's saying it doesn't matter if it's legal because it's everywhere, like fentanyl but guns
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
With thorough background checks, exclusion of minors, secure home storage, and weapons confiscation for owners who show signs of mental illness or threatening behavoir - I'm in favor.

And I do carry now ✌
Degbeme · 70-79, M
@GuiltyBiStander @GuiltyBiStander

*makes note not to piss you two off* 😬
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@Degbeme savages
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@Degbeme I'm impressed with the women in here. No insults just cool
GuiltyBiStander · 31-35, F
@pdockal

Settle down cowboy.

If your family member or friend is wacko, they've got a record too and their report is flagged. Point is these laws work and don't impact responisble gun owners.

You want to politicize this call your congressman. That map of states with red flag laws includes Florida, Nevada, Indiana, and New Jersey. Draw your own conclusions
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WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@pdockal you can't ask females where they live dude lol
pdockal · 56-60, M
@WowwGirl

Did you actually read my rebuttal ?
as a canadian i'm not allowed to have an opinion here....i was on a gun discussion once and a few people got "triggered"....no pun intended.
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Pretzel · 70-79, M
I've managed to get by so far without a firearm.

but I'd rather have open carry - then you know that you shouldn't be messing with somebody
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@Pretzel I got holsters that look like a vest .
GerOttman · 70-79, M
Id be fine with it. although I'd prefer national constitutional carry and skip the permits.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
I'm just happy and impressed there's 4 semi aggressive women in this room somehow getting along. It's nice💛
Punxi · F
@WowwGirl I'm just a burrito in cozy air-conditioned gypsy splendor.....🍿

Was not intention to start a fuss.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@Punxi u didn't that's what I'm saying you are a good host
AngelUnforgiven · 51-55, F
@WowwGirl lol 🤣 i know right 🤣🤣🤣
@WowwGirl Set a standard and implement it nationally.
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@BrandNewMan I like my loose laws though
@WowwGirl Takes some give and take .. the clenched heiney states are not gonna go for Nation wide constitutional carry .. ;-)
Ferric67 · M
The funny thing about guns

The only people who should have are the ones who don’t want them
Everybody else will more than likely be too eager to use them

I don’t want anyone to have a gun, for the simple reason I just don’t want to get shot
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Ferric67

That's an immature outlook
That's chauvinistic
Sounds like you deserve their wrath
Ferric67 · M
@pdockal lol, they think so too

That’s exactly it, too many people are not mature enough to hold a gun with threatening to use a gun
pdockal · 56-60, M
@Ferric67

Your confused
You probably have no clue who is carrying anyway
Criminals have guns
Guns aren't the issue
Mental health is the issue
We need better mental health (including you)
Criminals want easy marks
Criminals want you to just hand over your stuff
I
I’m not a fan of guns in general
Punxi · F
@Ferric67 At the end of the day...

Be certain to place...

I'll gladly take the time to smile...

On your to-do list for you tomorrow.....

🩷
Ferric67 · M
@Punxi I smile every day Punxi
Punxi · F
@Ferric67 Me too. It's a secret weapon these days ...

You. Heard the " save you 10% on your car insurance" ..,trend?

I smiled at that dude.....

Rest is history.

😁
Degbeme · 70-79, M
Yeah, I carry a wallet and a phone
It scares me. More guns can only mean more deaths. The myth of "good guys with guns" has been disproven more often than borne out. The Uvalde shooting is the saddest example. 😞
Punxi · F
@bijouxbroussard Certainly countless pros and cons.
Grew up with a career military parent.

Most of his experience....he can't tell ya about.

But I do know that the violence he is capable of.... I'd never "know"....due to is tender devoted love.

I was proficient with a handgun when I was 13.

On a range.

Was my sister.the girly one......I was his son's substitute..lol.

Really...I do see where you're coming from. Blatantly.

I carry for self protection alone.

🤷
@Punxi Pop’s a veteran, knows how to use a gun. My brother’s a retired policeman.
And my grandfather taught me how to use a gun (to my mother’s dismay). I remember my grandmother, who grew up in the bayou, had a rifle and knew how to use it (she was badass on so many levels).

I’m not anti-gun; it’s a tool that has very specific, often necessary uses. But not everyone should be able to acquire one, and the easy access has been disastrous.

I don’t know what’s happened. The very first school shooting I remember watching on the news was when Charles Whitman, killed 17, wounded 31 from the Texas University clock tower, before the police took him out. It was shocking and horrifying because it was unimaginable.

I’m not sure how we got to where we are now; when we hear about yet another mass shooting, sigh, shake our heads and keep going. It’s the norm now. People in other countries (like Canada) have guns, too, but somehow they’re not doing this.
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JohnnySpot · 56-60, M
It makes my shoulder sore.
popmol · 26-30, M
terrifies me. its one of the reasons i don't go to america.
popmol · 26-30, M
@GuidanceCounselor its sad i won't meet my friends but they can visit safe me!
GuidanceCounselor · 56-60, M
@popmol did you get your tin foil hat securely fastened?
popmol · 26-30, M
@GuidanceCounselor doesn't fit my fashion!
pdockal · 56-60, M
About time !
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
Makes good sense to me
GuidanceCounselor · 56-60, M
Needs to happen
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@GuidanceCounselor DAs and prosecutors need to be tougher on criminals.
One of the reasons the gun ban is effective in GB is that the use of a weapon during the committing of a crime bring additional penalties.
DAs in US bargain down the crime by eliminating the gun charges. In one case in chicago a felon was given a lesser sentence even though he ha 19 elegal use of firearm charges. He was given probation.
That won't make people safer.
Patriot96 · 56-60, C
@faery there are currently over 2000 laws controling guns.
Have any of them worked
faery · 31-35, F
@Patriot96 By design, no
GuidanceCounselor · 56-60, M
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
. But what weirdo state doesn't have that law? If it's visible it's fine anywhere.
pdockal · 56-60, M
@WowwGirl

All good
No worries
It does get complicated
Should have only federal laws anyway
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
@pdockal I thought they did except California 😐
pdockal · 56-60, M
@WowwGirl

It's weird ... liberal states want more gun control ... or to take them away from law abiding citizens
Conservative states have less
WowwGirl · 36-40, F
They don't already have that?? Well,,,
ChipmunkErnie · 70-79, M
acpguy · C
Makes sense to me as the bad guys will carry no matter they have a CCP or not.
Guns kill Americans because you want them. Deaths from cars are everywhere, because you like them. The dying from capitalism is also big and you like capitalism. Good riddance.
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