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I don't like President Trump ...

He and I would likely not be friends. I generally recoil from people who are bragadocious. I don't like testosterone-fueled egoism. I called him a baffoon here on SW (or was it EP then) back when he first announced he was going to run for president in 2016. I thought it was just a publicity stunt for some new TV show.

But ...

If he pulls this off ...

If we really have peace in Gaza, peace in the Middle East ...

Idk, I might have to look past his personal shortcomings (of which there are many) and give credit where credit is due.

I've been to Israel once (Tel Aviv) back when I was standing up a team working out of the embassy in Beirut. This part of the world is so beautiful. If peace could break out and both sides could forgive (not forget, but forgive), then the world as we know it will have been fundamentally changed.

And as much as it pains me to say it ... It will be to President Trump's credit. Together with many others, of course, but primarily President Trump.

I cannot believe I am saying this.

Fingers crossed everyone ... we are so close ...

🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞🙏🤞
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IM5688 · 61-69, M
I've said this before, but I'll say it again.
You may not like or agree with what Trump says or does or the way he says and does things, but he is trying to bring peace into the world and he is trying to make things better in the US as well as worldwide.
Democrats just seem to be spending most of their time and money causing more division and spreading Trump hatred instead of seeing the positivity of what Trump is doing or has done.
BohoBabe · M
@IM5688 Trump increased the drone strikes in every country America was bombing. Yes, his brain is soup so he doesn't know what he's doing, but he's definitely not trying to bring peace to the world.
@IM5688

The issue is that Democrats don't put such things as world peace and making things better as being more important than their right to rule over us.

Their priorities are expressed in their one line platform: Defeat Trump!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@IM5688 I'm responding to your original comment here, not to the discussion it has triggered.

You may not like or agree with what Trump says or does or the way he says and does things
I actually like some of what he says and I would be on his bandwagon except that I cannot stand the WAY he says things. His mannerisms, tone, demeaner, and general dismissiveness just completely turns me off.

but he is trying to bring peace into the world
Yes, this I know. I worked for the DoD from 2023 thru early this year and I see the things he has done since taking office. So yes, I know he is trying to bring peace. But sometimes he is pushing peace at all costs which is not always the right thing to do. In any case, I am praying for him to succeed in Gaza.
SchoolBelle · 61-69, F
Let's not get ahead of ourselves here. There is no "peace" in the Middle East. Hammas, Hezbollah, Iran, in particular, have not renounced their openly stated aim of eliminating Israel. Israel has not committed itself to the creation of a Palestinian state, nor to withdrawal from the illegally occupied West Bank.

So, we have a cease fire. Another cease fire. It is welcome, of course, but is phase 1 - hostages and prisoners have been exchanged, international aid is starting to get through.

Let's not lose sight of the fact that we have been here before. Nobody cared about phase 2 back then. Why will they now?

If there is still peace in the ME at the end of President Trump's term in office, I will gladly mount a campaign to have him awarded the Nobel Peace Prize.

You don't get it for brokering a (temporary) ceasfire that suits both sides.

But what do I know?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SchoolBelle You are not wrong.But I can still be hopeful.
SchoolBelle · 61-69, F
@sarabee1995 Yea, we must all hope.
NewRaven · 51-55, F
I can understand your sentiments. I don’t desire to meet Trump and some things he has said/done gives me the creeps. But this will be a good thing if it goes longer than the posturing on the news this morning.

When you stop and think about it, a person doesn’t need to be liked to actually do a good job and get the job done. Also, when you look at past presidents objectively, each has some things they did well and some things that they didn’t. Fingers crossed this one sticks and will be one of his good ones.
Diotrephes · 70-79, M
@NewRaven
Fingers crossed this one sticks and will be one of his good ones.

This is just a pause in the genocide to give the Zionists time to rebuild their arsenal and to give their troops time to rest so that they can attack another country in he Levant, most likely Lebanon or finish taking over the West Bank.

BTW, they still have to expel all of the people in Gaza so be prepared to have some new neighbors. That was one of the objectives in expelling those illegal aliens in America. Expect some news about it before the year is out.
NewRaven · 51-55, F
@Diotrephes I guess we’ll see how things unfold.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@NewRaven I think you and I are in agreement.
Stephie · F
I must agree with you.

That guy gives me the ick and I switch channels whenever I see his face on TV. It is just like when you are scratching the blackboard with fingernails. My entire body revolts.

However, for the sake of peace in the Gaza strip, I do give HIS TEAM credit for what is happening. He has certainly not done anything himself but given the order, as per his habit and is taking the credit for whatever positive happens and will find faults elsewhere if it fails.
Stephie · F
@KiwiBird Twice in a week? 😠 You got to be kidding me, right? And you Miss Sara, you have nothing to laugh about.
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
@Stephie That's exactly how I felt about Barry and Joe. So I know what you are saying.
Stephie · F
@nudistsueaz Glad I am not alone in my little corner...
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sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
JoyfulSilence · 51-55, M
@sarabee1995

I hope so.

I am pretty bored right now.

But maybe somebody will discover a theory of everything. That would be interesting.
I take your point; Israel's war on Gaza had a terrible human cost.

However, putting it in proportion, if tRump's goal were to save lives around the world, he missed the big opportunity, which was keeping USAID operating.

... a new study published Monday in the medical journal, the Lancet. The study estimates that USAID programs have saved over 90 million lives over the past two decades. The researchers also estimate that if the current cuts continue through 2030, 14 million people who might have otherwise lived could die.

"Is [USAID] a good use of resources? We found that the average taxpayer has contributed about 18 cents per day to USAID," says James Macinko, a health policy researcher at UCLA and study co-author. "For that small amount, we've been able to translate that into saving up to 90 million deaths around the world."
https://www.npr.org/sections/goats-and-soda/2025/07/01/nx-s1-5452513/trump-usaid-foreign-aid-deaths

Keeping USAID running is an easily achievable objective for the president, and doing so would save FAR MORE lives than ending wars in Ukraine and Gaza. And, best of all, they're not mutually exclusive! tRump could start USAID's health initiatives back up with an order and a signature, and then turn right back to the other wars.

Thus, tRump's FAILURE to save far more lives via USAID puts into question his commitment to Christianity in general.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ElwoodBlues Again, we are not a theocracy. Doing good is Christian. That doesn't make all good things legal.
@sarabee1995 This little exchange began with you saying
Interesting definition of Christianity.
If you want to abandon that topic and switch to another, just say so.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ElwoodBlues Yes, followed by my clarifying question: So supporting the mission of USAID is Christian and opposing it is not?

We went on down that path wherein I tried a few times to point out that we are not a theocracy, despite your implications again and again that we should set our government policies based on your definition of what is "Christian".
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
There have been at least 3 previous presidents who each brought a kind of peace to the area. I had never lasted. If he gets the Arab world to help Gaza, if Egypt opens its trading borders, if Jordan does similarly. If the rest of the Arab Union uses its vast fortune to turn Gaza into an economic power, then maybe there will be peace. We all know how the Arab world refused to help Gaza.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@samueltyler2 I understand. There is much work to do.
Pfuzylogic · M
I have a deep respect for you and your opinions but this peace was developed by trump and Netanyahu. Can you seriously think that there will not be new terrorists groups formed to oppose how the Palestinian people were slaughtered and their homes razed? Then the proposal that ocean front property would now be developed.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Pfuzylogic Hey Pfuzy! ... Yeah, I get it. I'm just hopeful for peace. That is all. Praying and hoping. 🤞🙏🤞
Northwest · M
Forcing Hamas to release the hostages, is not the same as creating peace in Gaza and the Middle East.

It does, however, allow Trump to do a lot of PR.

Releasing the hostages is a positive thing, and I applaud it.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Northwest No. It doesn't by itself create peace. But it can be called phase 1 of a future peace. And we can be hopeful for a phase 2 and a lasting peace.
Northwest · M
@sarabee1995 And I look forward to seeing the actual peace plan. I'm also still waiting for the Korean Peninsula peace plan.
ArtieKat · M
I share your sentiments, Sara
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@ArtieKat 🤞🙏🤞
Platinum · M
So far so good and if peace lasts and he can sort out russia he will go down in history as a great president....i like him and agree with most things he says....
Elessar · 31-35, M
How long will this last, though? Aside from the words used, to me this keeps looking more like a ceasefire, than a lasting peace. Hopefully I'm just too pessimist.

Though gotta give credit to his change of mind about the other conflict with Russia: sending tomahawks as leverage, instead of practically forcing Ukraine to surrender, is a step closer to actual peace.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Elessar Well, phase one is exactly that: a cease fire. The real work to bring a lasting peace starts now. Makes me so wish I weren't taking this time off to be back in school.
Lugwho · 61-69, M
I agree. I don't like him at all, but wouldn't begrudge him his Nobel Peace prize if it's still peaceful next year.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Lugwho Oh right. That too. I didn't even think of the Nobel. But the hullabaloo this year over the Nobel is one of the reasons I don't much like him. The Nobel is not something you ever ask for or expect 🤦‍♀
Lugwho · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 No, he has no redeeming features. Unfortunately, I'm not very optimistic about this being successful.
pdockal · 56-60, M
Peace is fragile.
We're lucky it lasted this long & who knows how long it'll last
Why does it matter if you like him or don't? Who says he'd like you ?
Biden tried & failed
Trump suceded
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@pdockal Unfortunately, I am as pessimistic about sustained peace as you seem to be. Until the rich Arab states agree to help support Gaza and to keep it out of terrorist hands, it will continue to threaten its neighbors, primarily Israel. But do you wonder why Egypt has maintained an embargo as to helping Gaza?
swirlie · 31-35
@pdockal
Biden tried & failed, Trump suceeded

I'd like to point out to you pdockal that Trump hasn't succeeded at anything yet in the Middle East.

What we have here is not a peace deal, in fact it was only a negotiated ceasefire that we're looking at which contained a 48 hour expiry date for the purpose of getting hostages released on BOTH sides, an expiry date which actually expired last night at midnight.

The ceasefire came in the form of a Letter of Understanding, but a LoU is not a peace deal. In fact, it takes several LoU's to form the basis of a lasting peace deal which so far, has not happened NOR is it happening as we speak.
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carpediem · 61-69, M
I do like Trump. I saw the fire in him that makes things happen. Yes, lets hope this peace works.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@carpediem He's the most skilled politician I've ever seen or read about.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@sarabee1995 I voted for him because he gets results. He plays chess while others are playing checkers.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@carpediem Maybe so. Not really going to debate that point. But I can't let stand statements like he's not a politician stand. He is a VERY skilled politician.
DarthInvader · 36-40, M
Took him long enough. Trump is just as much swamp as he claims everyone else is. He is not about peace, just US and self interest. This is not to say I'm not glad the fighting has stopped, I am, but it's not because Trump suddenly grew a heart.
carpediem · 61-69, M
@DarthInvader Aren’t there some cartoons on somewhere you can watch? Or does your mom limit your TV time? 🤔
DarthInvader · 36-40, M
@carpediem Oh there definitely are. I see them just fine without having to squint 😂🤣.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@DarthInvader To get to this point, Iran had to be removed from the equation. The Midnight Hammer operation was part of bringing Hamas to the table. That took a few months to plan and a few weeks to execute. He's been in office less than a year.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
Trump's politics are closely aligned with groups like Al Qaeda which is extreme right wing. I fail to see how peace can be resolved in the middle east so long as we have Al Qaeda Texan lite in the United States. Also a large number of the Palestinian population is dead or displaced.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SatanBurger Interesting perspective on politics.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@sarabee1995 Well I remember a large group of conservatives praising Al Qaeda and the Taliban for their treatment of women online, wish I could remember what incidents led up to this but basically in recent years, the far right have started to praise these groups in very roundabout ways online.

Both far right conservatives and far right Muslims (I say far right because I'm talking about the ruling bodies more so than regular people) don't believe that women should vote, believe in moderate dressing for women, don't support gay rights, will take away pro choice. Aside from differences of religious views, what conservatives like to claim as "radical Islam," is closer to their politics. They are the ones after all who want to kill women for getting abortions. Both groups want to adhere as much as they can to 3,000 year old literature.

Wish I could remember but at the time people were talking about how weird it was for conservatives to praise the Taliban and those groups or whatever.

The reason I said Al Qaeda lite or Taliban lite one of the two... is that conservative "try" to install these laws and they've been really successful in some aspects but in other aspects, they're getting extreme pushback so it's more of a "lite" version rather than heavy one (for right now.)
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SatanBurger 🤦‍♀
SunshineGirl · 36-40, F
The hostages have been released, which is the most important thing and a significant achievement in itself. But less than a quarter of Israelis now support a two state solution (down from over 60% two years ago), and 87% of Palestinians deny that Hamas was responsible for the October attacks. The photogenic part is over, now the hard work begins. Let us hope that Trump does not become bored or distracted.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@SunshineGirl
Let us hope that Trump does not become bored or distracted.
🙏
KiwiBird · 36-40, F
There is a Ceasefire that is holding atm.
I hope and pray this leads to peace.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@KiwiBird Hamas has already reneged on return of all the corpses.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@KiwiBird We hope and pray together. 🤝
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@sarabee1995 Hamas is televising summary executions of what appear to be just ordinary gazans in the street. Sadly, they are positioning themselves to continue to control Gaza!
BohoBabe · M
While it would be great if the genocide ends, keep in mind Israel would still be an apartheid state where Palestinians suffer every day. Though I actually think there's a better chance of that ending under Trump than under Biden. Biden is an ideological Zionist, whereas Trump just wants people to cheer for him.
WestonT · 18-21, M
@BohoBabe Trump also really doesn't like being perceived as a "war president". He campaigned on ending wars. And sometimes that concern for his image results in a greater good. Biden did not care at all; he only cared about "ironclad" support for Israel.

I think we can be glad that this ceasefire is happening and acknowledging Trump's role in it. But I'm not going to pretend we're in an "era of peace" now when most of Gaza is rubble and nothing is going to change as far as Palestinians having more rights or a path to statehood.
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Ducky · 31-35, F
I don’t like him either, but I can give credit where it’s due.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Ducky Let's all hope this works. 🤞🙏🤞
akindheart · 61-69, F
who doesn't have faults? we can look back at our other leaders and list them. Ittakes Trump balls to get things done. he is respected because he says what he means and means what he says. now if he can get Ukraine and Russia to stop killing each other and then focus on Congress, we have a winner. remember, he is only 10 months into his second term
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@akindheart what are your average costs at the supermarket? What will your medical insurance premium n next year?
nudistsueaz · 61-69, F
He's doing a tremendous job.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@nudistsueaz 🤞🤞🤞
MarkPaul · 26-30, M
How successful would he have been if...

- Gaza hadn't already been bombed into total destruction? There literally was nothing left to bomb.
- Israel hadn't been given the green light to starve Hamas (and the Palestinians) out for the last 2 years?
- Israeli voters weren't becoming more boisterous in their growing dissatisfaction with Netanyahu convincing him to cave to pressure?
- Most of the rest of the world was already turning on Netanyahu's inhumane approach (instead of taking a surgical approach)?
- He didn't think he had the chance to win a Nobel Peace Prize that he covets?

It isn't that Pedophile enthusiast & snowflake doesn't deserve any credit, but certainly nowhere as close as he insists he is entitled to.
TexChik · F
I'm shocked! You don't like Trump🤣
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@TexChik I know, right? Hard to believe. But seriously, I need to give credit where it is due. I watched most of his speech to the Knesset and it is the first time I saw him as "presidential". I really hope and pray he succeeds here. :)
swirlie · 31-35
The basic premise of the Nobel Peace Prize is about 'disarmament', not about kissing and hugging and making nice which some refer to as 'making peace'.

The most peaceful place on earth is a desert, which is what is made from the total destruction of a civilization caused by a war, resulting in that lovely, peaceful, tranquil desert effect. Downtown Gaza comes to mind.

What we have on the table as of this date from the Trump Administration, which he refers to as a "peace agreement", is nothing more than a 'Letter of Understanding' between Israel, Palestine and the USA, but does not include Hamas... they were not included in the Letter of Understanding because Hamas don't play sandbox nice. As a result, Hamas got excluded from the backroom sub party.

Included with that Letter of Understanding is a 20-point memo which Kushner created which highlights all the good stuff that America wants to come of this kiss and hug love-fest between Israel and Palestine.

However, nowhere in that 20-point memo is it reflected 'how' and 'when' ANY of this LoU will be implemented, nor is there any kind of a mechanism in place to implement that Letter of Understanding, nor are there ANY timelines for initiating the LoU, nor is there anything written which suggests permanence to the basis of that LoU, which again is NOT a Peace Agreement!

With Hamas completely out of the picture yet still ready to fight, the US is expecting everything to go as smooth as silk and wants everyone to go home and live happily ever after, which then eliminates any argument of Trump being eligible for the Nobel Peace Prize, which is really what this whole thing is only about!

Meanwhile, back at the ranch, we have the USA under siege by the US military who were deployed against the US civilian population as only an Authoritarian Dictator could do... AND we have the entire world pulling away from the USA as their primary trading partner because of Trump's tariffs... AND we have Trump now grandstanding like a schoolboy in the Middle East for no other purpose than to get a prize, though back in the States, all eyes are still keenly focused on the failing US economy and Trump's involvement with Jeffery Epstein, over and above the National guard and the US military breaking into homes and carting people away by the hundreds!

The ONLY good thing that will come out of Trump's meddling in Middle Eastern affairs will be the release of all hostages, 1900 of which were Palestinians being held captive by the Israelis for a number of year who became part of the hostage release program.

What has already come out of Trump's meddling with Israel is Trump's request on record, that Netanyahu be PARDONED for his war crimes when Bibi goes before the War Crimes Tribunal.. IF his war were to suddenly end! As long as Bibi doesn't end his war, he doesn't have to show up in Court!

Only 2 hours after the hostages were released, Netanyahu publicly stated that the WAR IS NOT OVER, which totally contradicted Trump's public announcement an hour earlier that HE had JUST ended the Israel/Palestine war, which of course was a false claim of an American victory on Trump's part!

Don't forget one last point... Donald J. Trump has never done anything in his entire career as a businessman UNLESS there was something signifiant in it for Trump, which means Trump is not involved in Gaza for the good of establishing peace in the Middle East, make NO mistake about it.

What's in it for Trump Corp is the oceanfront property of Gaza.

What's in it for Netanyahu is a new place to call home for himself when he goes into exile rather than face the War Crimes Tribunal.. IF the war were to suddenly end.

That new home for Bibi and his family will be some faraway place with a strange-sounding name called, the USA.
Thinkerbell · 41-45, F
Let's hope...

[media=https://youtu.be/2Pz9BCMFoP8]
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Thinkerbell Beautiful :)
Longpatrol · 31-35, M
I don't like him at all, but if he stops the kids from being murdered by his pal Netanyahu, at least for a short while
:) do you think, maybe, that Trump's bragadocious style is simply to draw the Democrat mafia into the open? To expose the disinformation industry (AKA the mainstream media) and show their deep partisan colors?

Who do you think the American people trust more to represent their best interest? Bragadocious Trump or bragadocious Kimmel?
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Heartlander
Who do you think the American people trust more to represent their best interest?
Well ... Only one of them won an election. 🤷‍♀
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samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Torsten Biden did do the same sort of thing. The difference is the theater performed by Trump. Compare the number of hostages returned under Biden v Trump, the number of ceasefire. But, if this ceasefire turns into peace, i will praise Trump for this. Just as i don't want to underplay it as an accomplishment, I don't think we should overplay it. The important change i want to see, the rich Arab countries taking the major role in development of a peaceful Gaza which can be self sustaining.
SatanBurger · 36-40, F
@Torsten I personally think it's great about a ceasefire but if someone is abusive and they do one good thing doesn't mean I have to stick my nose in his starfish like maga all the time. I feel like maga feels like if we don't praise his glory all the time it's like a betrayal or something
midschtch · F
Nobody with common sense likes Trump.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@midschtch I don't know about that. People of good will can disagree on all kinds of things. I have friends that like him very much. I don't get it mysef, but I wouldn't say they have no common sense.
Gibbon · 70-79, M
Fortunately your opinion has zero affect on the state of the country
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Gibbon You're right, it has no effect. Same as your opinion. We are just two voices in a sea of voices. I am simply saying to the SWorld, that I am hopeful for success here. I've spoken out against President Trump here many times and I'm simply saying that if he succeeds, I will grant him the credit he is due. That is all.
AnnaWasHere · 22-25, F
Let me be clear. America is not a friend to Palestine. It is a second enemy reluctantly invited in.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@AnnaWasHere I understand. But can we all be hopeful for peace? Or is that too much to ask for?
AnnaWasHere · 22-25, F
@sarabee1995 Hope for peace is good.
zonavar68 · 56-60, M
Peace in Gaza would only be fake Peace. The war between Christian and Islam religions had been going for thousands of years and neither Trump or Netanyahu will stop it.
@zonavar68 Maybe so, but there have been major disruptions along the way. Maybe this is one of them, maybe it's the last one that may even last until the end of time.
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@zonavar68 Clearly you do not know your history. Islam has only been around for 1400 years and didn't bump into Christianity until the Crusades. So it has not been going on for "thousands of years"!

Plus, the current conflict in Gaza is not between Christians and Muslims. It is between Israel, a state made up primarily of Jews, but with Christian and Muslim citizens as well, and Gaza, a Muslim-dominated region. If you don't want to learn you history, at least Google your "facts" before posting. 🙄
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When you can't profit from war no more you won't have nothing! You aren't interested in doing boring living. Lolz! But, war profits ended. You're over!
Boring life is all!!! Hate away!
sarabee1995 · 26-30, F
@Roundandroundwego Huh?? Are you saying that I personally profit from war?
Vin53 · M
Everything trump touches dies, including this peace.
Vin53 · M
@samueltyler2 Nobel Prizes cannot be awarded posthumously. However, since 1974, if the recipient dies after the prize has been announced they can still be awarded it.
samueltyler2 · 80-89, M
@Vin53 I knew it had been done in the past, and exceptions are possible. Here is what I discovered from looking into theta question:

No, a Nobel Prize cannot be awarded posthumously, according to a 1974 change in the Nobel Foundation's statutes. However, a prize is still awarded if the recipient dies after the prize has been announced, such as in the case of Ralph Steinman in 2011. Before 1974, posthumous awards were possible, such as those given to Erik Axel Karlfeldt in 1931 and Dag Hammarskjöld in 1961.
Current rules
Since 1974, the statutes have explicitly forbidden posthumous awards.
An exception is made if the awardee passes away after the prize has been announced.
The 2011 Nobel Prize in Physiology or Medicine was awarded to Ralph Steinman, who had died three days prior to the announcement. The committee decided the award would stand because the announcement was made in good faith.
Historical exceptions
Before 1974, it was possible to award a prize posthumously if the person had been nominated before February 1 of the same year.
Dag Hammarskjöld: received the Nobel Peace Prize in 1961 posthumously.
Erik Axel Karlfeldt: received the Nobel Prize in Literature in 1931 posthumously.
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